EP229: Scraping the Barrel #44 – Nat’s new BBC doc is out today!

Speaker B 0:02:04 Hello and welcome to Life with Nat on this absolutely scorching bank holiday Monday. It's meant to be 31 degrees on Monday.

Marc 0:02:22 It is Monday.

Speaker B 0:02:24 But you know, they know that we don't do it on the day.

Marc 0:02:27 I can't believe you've done this again.

Speaker B 0:02:28 No, it's all good. It's fine. They understand. People know.

Marc 0:02:31 Do you know what? I showed Matt Payne this earlier today.

Speaker B 0:02:34 Yeah.

Marc 0:02:35 This podcast, I mean, and us talking. And you started doing your intro of our last one. Yeah. And whilst you were doing the intro and he was watching it, because I was telling about the YouTube channel.

Natalie Cassidy 0:02:45 Yeah.

Marc 0:02:46 And he watched it and he said, why is she telling people that we're recording it early? And then I then start talking about why you're saying that. Because I— I tell you why. And he agreed with me.

Natalie Cassidy 0:02:54 Well, because I'm honest.

Marc 0:02:56 Okay, so.

Natalie Cassidy 0:02:58 And the listeners need to know everything. But wherever you're listening today, perhaps you'll save it for when you're back to work on Tuesday. But if you're listening today, perhaps you're on a lovely walk, perhaps you're at the beach, perhaps you're having a lay down somewhere, you're in the garden with a glass of rosé.

Marc 0:03:13 Perhaps you're in a studio all day doing EastEnders.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:16 Well, I'm not there, so I don't care.

Marc 0:03:19 Right. You've got a really weird bit of hair, by the way, coming out of here.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:21 Oh, have I? Yeah.

Marc 0:03:22 Again, only the viewers can see that, not the listeners. No. So good luck, listeners. Listening's the way forward.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:29 How's that?

Marc 0:03:29 Yeah, that's good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:30 Cracking. So how's your day been?

Marc 0:03:32 It's been good, thank you. Yeah. How was yours? You look lovely. Nice makeup.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:35 Thank you. I'll talk to you about all of that in a minute, I think.

Marc 0:03:41 Okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:41 I think we should get down to business. That was seamless, that little link. Well, no, I think we should get down to business. Because you haven't stopped smiling like a Cheshire Cat after the video was posted last time on designer clothing and how many messages you've got and how everyone agrees with you.

Marc 0:03:58 I've had a lot of people say that. Yeah, a lot of people have agreed. A lot. I mean, @thechrissgore, um, says it already. He agrees. He knows what he's talking about.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:12 Why, is he some sort of style guru?

Marc 0:04:13 Very wise man, and he's on my side, so, uh—

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:17 Fair enough.

Marc 0:04:19 Yep.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:20 Well, I think we missed a trick last time.

Marc 0:04:22 We did. I listened to it, and whilst I was listening to the podcast, because I do listen to the podcast, I thought we've missed a trick here because we should have contacted Maria.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:35 Yeah, so—

Marc 0:04:37 It's her bag.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:38 We're gonna ring her now.

Marc 0:04:38 Okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:39 And we're gonna get her opinion.

Marc 0:04:40 Okay, fine, lovely.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:42 Here we go.

Marc 0:04:42 Well, do we need her opinion after all of the messages? Yes, I think we do.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:46 I think we do, because I still say it's lovely to have designer items. And funnily enough, you bought me one for my birthday.

Marc 0:04:57 I did, but you asked for it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:04 All right, babes. Hello, sweetheart. How are you? I'm all right. I'm late. I'm in bed. What are you doing? I'm so sorry. Yeah, no, we're recording a pod. Oh. Hope you don't mind, but we've started off and I said, no, no, let's talk about the elephant in the room. Talking about designing clothes without you. That's a bit rude. Yes.

Marc 0:05:22 That's exactly what I was thinking. Who's the elephant in the room, babe? Seriously.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:27 No, well, I'm the elephant. Shut up. I've got my arms out 'cause it's hot as well. I don't like my arms out.

Marc 0:05:32 I've got my trunk out.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:34 Oh my God. Honestly, lowering the tone. Brilliant, brilliant. But on a serious note, he's so smug because he's had 50 messages on his Instagram on our post saying, you're right, you're right, you're right. And I thought, no, no, no, we need to phone a professional regarding designer clothes. What would you like my profession for? Well, you listen to the pod. I did, yeah, it made me laugh. It's like me sitting there next week talking about steam trains. We'll give that a go.

Marc 0:06:09 Crack on. Be my guest.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:15 Mark, I'm sure there's some designer steam trains knocking about.

Marc 0:06:18 Nope.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:19 What, you don't pay more for a certain type of steam train? I don't believe it.

Marc 0:06:23 Nope.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:23 Well, you do. That's absolute rubbish. The Orient Express.

Marc 0:06:30 Listen, you're clutching at straws here.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:32 To go on the Orient Express? I'm not—

Marc 0:06:33 I have no idea. You know more than I do.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:35 It's a lot of money.

Marc 0:06:36 I don't know what you're talking about.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:37 Looked into it for your birthday. I was like, I'm all right, thanks.

Marc 0:06:39 Right, okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:40 And also, Mark, you like a tracksuit, didn't you, mate? Or a little North Face hoodie?

Marc 0:06:44 I love my North Face hoodie that Eddie got me.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:47 There we go. That has North Face on it.

Marc 0:06:49 Well, it's got a tiny little tag on the, on the sleeve. I tried to unpick it, but it won't come off. It's a nice hoodie though.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:57 Exactly. No, I do understand a little what Mark is saying, but I think with luxury brands, I mean, they go back to like the 1800s. It is a craftsmanship.

Marc 0:07:09 Hang on, hang on. Sorry. Now, I respect your opinion and you know what you're talking about.

Speaker B 0:07:14 Can you let her talk then?

Marc 0:07:15 So let me just— no, let me just say one thing.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:17 Go, go.

Marc 0:07:19 Are you telling me in the 1800s someone wandered about with a cap on? And on the cap—

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:24 no, yeah, no, no, I understand. What I was going to say is obviously like, say like Hermès for instance, they started in like equestrian, but of course they're just monetizing it now, aren't they?

Marc 0:07:33 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:34 And it's demand, isn't it? Supply and demand. People want it, same as people want to wear Nike because it's got a tick on it.

Marc 0:07:39 Yep, I agree. I agree with all of that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:42 Yeah, some of the items are— I mean, don't get me wrong, even I agree. I think they are— it's got so expensive now. It is crazy. It's a crazy crazy time. It's not even affordable anymore, is it? But it's like anything, people like to just have— it's— yeah, I don't know. But do you agree with me? Because I was being really honest. If I wear my Fendi woolly hat— Yes. I, I know I've bought that really because I want the label on it. Yeah, of course. Absolutely. Why would you just buy a plain woolly hat?

Speaker B 0:08:13 It's a status thing. And also, I can go into Tesco's and buy a hat. Not a problem. I'll shop in Marks Spencer's for 95% of the year.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:21 Yeah, you say it's a status thing, but then there's people that will save up, or for like a big birthday they'll get something nice that's designer because it's just a nice thing to have, isn't it? It's like anything, people save up for things. It's, you know, like handbags, you collect them, you keep them.

Speaker B 0:08:38 Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:38 I mean, again, it's so expensive, but they work. They don't lose, you know, they don't lose value. You look after them. Yes. You can resell them. Don't get me wrong, I know, like, you can buy a cotton t-shirt with the brand on it and it's like £400 or £500. It's wild.

Marc 0:08:52 See, I've got to say, I, I totally agree with everything you just said, and I also do understand it as a concept. To be clear, the point I was making was I'm talking about the particular brands.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:06 Yeah.

Marc 0:09:07 Where it's just an ordinary thing and the only designer bit about it is the name.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:15 Yeah, the logo. Yeah, that's what you're paying for.

Marc 0:09:17 I can look at a piece of art and think, that's really interesting how that's been made. I can look at a piece of clothing by like a proper design brand which hasn't got its name plastered over it, and I can look at it and go, yeah, that is really different, interesting.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:33 Okay, mate, but I guess the cap with the embroidered logo is going to be probably the most accessible item, so it just gets people to wear it, promote it, that wouldn't be able to afford to buy the 3 grand bag or whatever, do you know what I mean? I understand. It's a funny old world, but I love it, which is, yeah, a bit of a shocker.

Marc 0:09:52 What, what is— what's encouraging to see is, is I would say if we're talking percentages, I don't know, 95% of people that have sent messages in have agreed that the, the late— it's specifically the labelling of the brand. I'm not talking about a really classy bit of clothing that's nicely designed that hasn't got the name on.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:13 But a lot of brands is like, that's— they all do it. It's like, why don't we all just shop in supermarkets then? Then no one, you know what I mean? There's nothing even like— I mean, we're talking about luxury brands, but it is the same with the sports brands. People want to be seen. It's— yeah, people like to be wearing logos, don't they? It's interesting. And you know, now it's children. Yes. You know, they go to school, they want this, they want the North Face jacket. It's— yeah, it's—

Marc 0:10:40 I've got a funny story for you. Maria, but you're like this. So growing up, my mum never bought me any kind of design— it was not even designer, any branded clothing. So the sort of clothing I had was BHS. Yeah. Back in the day, back in the day. Um, oh, I don't know, probably some supermarket brands. I can't think. BHS. I remember going to BHS and hating it, hating the smell of it and all the curtains. It was horrible. I hated going shopping for clothes. It made me not like it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:12 You don't like it? No.

Marc 0:11:12 But I remember, you know, we had the dreaded thing that would happen as you got older at school. When I say get older, I'm talking 8 or 9 years old. Own clothes days.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Marc 0:11:24 I was petrified. I did not have anything with any— and I'm talking sports gear. I didn't have anything. And I remember, I remember vividly, I think we went to like a Matalan Or something. It might have been Asda, or it might even have been a cash and carry.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:44 Yeah.

Marc 0:11:44 And I got a white Puma t-shirt.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:47 Was you buzzing?

Marc 0:11:49 And it was the first thing I had where you knew who made it, right?

Speaker B 0:11:54 Yeah.

Marc 0:11:54 And I remember wearing that, being so confident bowling. I was about 10 bowling. But why?

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:02 Why then? Why was you—

Marc 0:12:03 Because all the other kids used to take the mickey out of me. Because I didn't have any clothing that had any label on or no tag.

Speaker B 0:12:10 So if we went to a therapist now, we've wrapped up why you feel the way you do about designer clothes. Well done.

Marc 0:12:16 No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. No. If we went to the therapist, therapist would go, yeah, when you were younger, you were misinformed and were bullied by a load of stupid children. And actually, the lesson your mum and dad taught you was actually quite, quite good. And going forward, you've benefited really well.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:31 It was, but I guess I guess this is the thing with clothing, and I know then people do take the piss a bit and rip people off, but it does empower you. It does make you feel good.

Speaker B 0:12:41 I agree.

Marc 0:12:42 But surely— I'll tell you what I like. We have it at work. You have people that work in this industry, dressers. You have costume people at work. They do not wander about with a Fendi cap on. They go to a secondhand shop, they go to a charity shop, or Or they make their own. What's that amazing guy who makes all the costumes at EastEnders? Oh, Joe. Joe. Unbelievable. Joe, everything he wears, he's made it himself.

Speaker B 0:13:09 Yeah, he's amazing.

Marc 0:13:10 I know, but he's not walking about with a Fendi hat on.

Speaker B 0:13:12 No, I know, but he's very eccentric. He's amazing.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:16 Yeah, but again, like, but then some people design the stuff like, that's not cool. Like, again, it doesn't mean you can dress. No, you know how to put things together. Loads of people with loads of money, they just go in and like dripping in Gucci, it doesn't mean you look good. Well, I think you look good when you can go Tesco's, buy something, go Marks Spencer's, buy something.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:36 If you want to put any designer, but you mix and match, you know what I mean? You've got to just know how to put things together. Doesn't matter where it's from. And funny enough, like, I was talking to like the kids going to their own clothes day, what's it called? Mm-hmm.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:46 Uniform day, whatever it is. I never send Alfie in sports stuff. Like, literally, I do cheap stuff because they ruin it. Yes, absolutely.

Marc 0:13:55 Final thing I'm gonna say is I've seen you, Maria, do like, help Natalie out with outfits for award shows. She helped me today. Right?

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:04 I did.

Marc 0:14:04 You're very good at that. It's obviously, you know, you know what you're doing. I'm not just saying that. I know that. It's your profession. Again, you've never gone, I've got a great outfit for you, Natalie. Here you go. Here's the Fendi hat with Fendi written on the top.

Speaker B 0:14:19 Not allowed to wear labels. Not allowed to wear labels on the telly.

Marc 0:14:23 If it wasn't for telly, Please, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker B 0:14:28 Being honest.

Marc 0:14:29 I think, I actually think, let's be honest, I think that's it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:33 Gotta keep it real, guys.

Marc 0:14:34 I think Maria and I are slightly more aligned than you might have thought on this subject. Is that a fair comment? I think, Maria?

Speaker B 0:14:41 Nah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:41 Yes. No, I completely understand where you're coming from. However, if I could— Agree to disagree. Designer clothes every day, I would. Anywho.

Speaker B 0:14:50 Anywho, there we are.

Marc 0:14:52 Any road would have been more topical for this podcast, actually.

Speaker B 0:14:54 Any road, thank you so much. I'm so sorry it's so late.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:58 It's all right, I'm just watching a little, um, started a little series.

Speaker B 0:15:01 Oh, what you watching?

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:02 Mum told me to watch it, Believe Me, about the cabbie that did bad things to women.

Marc 0:15:09 Oh yeah.

Speaker B 0:15:10 Oh, you'll have to, um, right, well, our pod on Tuesday, you'll have to tell us what it's like.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:13 Yeah, I will.

Marc 0:15:15 Ellie's gonna love that one.

Speaker B 0:15:17 Why?

Marc 0:15:18 Next time she gets a cab.

Speaker B 0:15:19 I really—

Marc 0:15:20 Right up her street.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:22 She'll be walking home from now on, I think.

Marc 0:15:25 It's a good job the old bloke in the, in the drama doesn't look like Elio, is all I'm gonna say.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:31 I've literally just put it on.

Speaker B 0:15:35 Brilliant.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:36 All right, all right. Okay, love you, darling. See you in a bit. I'll talk to you tomorrow. Bye-bye.

Marc 0:15:42 Well, she agrees with me, let's be honest. We know that.

Speaker B 0:15:44 Yeah, I think you've really, really twisted that round.

Marc 0:15:48 I just think Natalie needs to go on, um, Camera_Mark Instagram account and have a read of the messages because like 2 people agreed.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:55 And not everyone agrees with you.

Speaker I 0:15:57 Hi, Suzanne from Durham in the car listening. Will not be popping over to YouTube to scraping the barrel designer things.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:10 Now I'm afraid, Mark, I can't agree with you on a lot of things. And feel for Nat at times. However, this is absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker I 0:16:25 As you say, I do not want to buy anything with a name on.

Speaker J 0:16:28 She does agree with me, even on this she agrees with me.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:32 It is better quality. They might all be made overseas, I don't know, whatever. Certain things are better quality than others. However, I will not buy a bag and anything with a designer stuck all over it.

Speaker I 0:16:48 So agree on this point. Loving everything always, of course. Bye.

Speaker B 0:16:55 Hang on a minute.

Marc 0:16:56 Sorry.

Speaker B 0:16:57 I thought that that message—

Marc 0:16:59 Me too.

Speaker B 0:17:00 Was one that where they agreed with me.

Marc 0:17:02 No.

Speaker B 0:17:02 But Suzanne doesn't agree with me.

Marc 0:17:04 Suzanne never agrees with me.

Speaker B 0:17:05 However, she never agrees with you, and she feels for me at times.

Marc 0:17:09 Yeah.

Speaker B 0:17:09 Remember that?

Marc 0:17:09 But let's not skirt around the point that even on that subject, she agreed with me. And I genuinely didn't realise that. Oh, I give up. And I suggested you played it. I absolutely give up. Yeah. Anyway, thanks everyone for agreeing with me. Appreciate it. Let's be honest, what we know from that is our listeners are sensible. Thank you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:25 But they all love a little treat at times. I know you do. You love a little treat. Love a little shop. And I reckon if someone said, come to Selfridges and buy yourself something designer, They'd enjoy the experience.

Speaker B 0:19:30 Anyway, I wanna get back to my day.

Marc 0:19:32 So why do you look so glam this evening? You look lovely.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:35 I've had a bit of a day of it. I had, uh, an M&S shoot.

Marc 0:19:41 Oh yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:43 Which was very fun.

Marc 0:19:44 M&S shoot? Yeah, lots of tasting. What were you doing for M&S?

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:47 Lots of tasting, lots of food stuff, all very exciting.

Marc 0:19:50 All right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:50 And then I went and did The One Show.

Marc 0:19:52 Oh, you're right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:54 with our friend Tom Allen.

Marc 0:19:55 Oh, lovely.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:56 I mean, I couldn't be on with the most—

Speaker B 0:19:59 I was so excited that he was gonna be on with me.

Marc 0:20:01 That's brilliant.

Speaker B 0:20:02 Because sometimes, letting people into a little secret, mentioning no names, sometimes you can get on there and you can be on a sofa with 4 people.

Marc 0:20:12 Yep.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:13 And each and every one of them wants to really have a good old chat. So you feel like it's a competition. Mm-hmm. Whereas this was first half, I had a lovely interview about the Care Show.

Speaker B 0:20:25 Second half, Tom spoke about his book. His book sounds absolutely brilliant.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:29 If you didn't see the one show, Common Decency by Tom, out now, all about suburbia. He grew up in Bromley. It's all about neighbours. I'm gonna start it tonight, Common Decency.

Marc 0:20:44 Okay, nice. Really good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:45 So there we go.

Marc 0:20:46 Do you sign it for us?

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:47 He did.

Marc 0:20:47 Nice.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:48 In fact, that was quite interesting because he signed it and he wrote my name.

Marc 0:20:54 Has he spelt it with an H?

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:56 He always does.

Marc 0:20:57 Right, okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:58 I haven't got the heart to tell him, but then he turned to me and he said, oh, hang on, is it Mark with a C or a K? I said C. He said, I knew it. And then he wrote your name and I thought, but you've spelt my name wrong.

Marc 0:21:09 Oh, hang on a minute, you've— that's a different story. Earlier on, you showed it to me and you said, it's Mart with a C, isn't it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:16 No, he said Mart with a C, okay. But he did—

Marc 0:21:18 I felt really good about that. You've exaggerated.

Speaker B 0:21:20 No, I know, but he did say, oh, I knew that, but he spells my name wrong.

Marc 0:21:24 Okay.

Speaker B 0:21:25 But I haven't got the heart to tell him.

Marc 0:21:26 A lot of people spell your name like that.

Speaker B 0:21:28 Yeah, it's quite a— yeah, a way that Natalie's spelt.

Marc 0:21:32 Fair enough.

Speaker B 0:21:33 But there you are. But yeah, it was lovely, lovely show. Roman was on, Roman Kemp, Alex Jones.

Marc 0:21:38 Yep.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:39 Love seeing Roman.

Marc 0:21:40 You know his dad?

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:41 Know his dad, worked with his dad. We spoke about This Is Your Life. He said, I reckon the last time I really spoke to you or saw you, I was 5 on Dad's This Is Your Life. I was like, wow, that's amazing. And he was talking about remembering how to keep it a secret from his dad. I said, you did well at 5. Imagine our kids keeping a secret at 5. Can't keep one now.

Marc 0:22:01 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:02 So that was lovely. And Alex is always really lovely. And it was really good, really enjoyed myself.

Marc 0:22:09 Any crew members say hello to me or not?

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:11 No.

Marc 0:22:11 Oh, charming. Well, I, I walked in on a VT at the beginning, so the show had started. Yeah, it wasn't kind of a sit-down before the show and have a chat. Who's the floor manager?

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:21 Uh, I can't remember his name. Lovely guy.

Marc 0:22:23 Rob?

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:24 Mixed-race guy, bald, tall.

Marc 0:22:26 What's his name? Oh, uh, I know who you mean. He's married to— I should know his name. It's Paul Morgan.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:31 Paul. Thank you.

Marc 0:22:32 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:32 Lovely Paul.

Marc 0:22:33 Married to Polly, who I used to work with on RuTube.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:36 Well, love Paul. So he was there. Saw Phil, had a little wave.

Marc 0:22:40 Oh yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:40 But yeah, it goes like that, The One Show. Half an hour on the telly, but when you're sat there, it feels like 5 minutes.

Marc 0:22:47 And that's why it'd be so nice to work on that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:49 Oh yeah.

Marc 0:22:49 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:50 It's a good gig, that. Get in for what, 5? Half 5?

Marc 0:22:55 No, like 3.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:55 Oh really?

Marc 0:22:56 Yeah. Pre-record sometimes. Oh, fair enough. Stuff. Just throw that stuff together. It's proper work, that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:02 Yeah, but it's a quick day, innit? Lovely day.

Marc 0:23:05 Yeah. You need to do a chat show. Can you do a chat? Please do a chat show. Chat show? Please do a chat show so I can come and work on it, please. No. Thank you very much.

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:17 No.

Marc 0:23:18 Why?

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:19 I did a little bit of autocue work today.

Marc 0:23:22 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:23 Not on the one show. And I did it probably 3 times perfectly because it needed to be in one take. But when I mucked it up, I felt so devastated.

Marc 0:23:34 Yeah.

Speaker B 0:23:34 That I just go, oh, bollocks. Look, I could never do live telly, I'm telling you.

Marc 0:23:39 Hang on. You're doing all right at the moment without an autocue, so you could do a chat show.

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:46 No.

Marc 0:23:46 What are you talking about?

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:48 No, because it's different.

Marc 0:23:49 It doesn't have to be live.

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:50 Oh, well, that's all right. If it's prerecorded, I'm fine.

Marc 0:23:52 No one said it was gonna be live.

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:53 Oh, okay, fine.

Marc 0:23:54 I said, can you just do a chat show please that I can work on?

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:58 Maybe in the future. And have a nice day. I'd like to.

Marc 0:24:00 Thank you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:01 I'd love to do one with Tom.

Marc 0:24:03 Lovely. As long as I can work on it, I don't care. As long as I can work on it, it's fine.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:07 Well, there you go.

Marc 0:24:09 Yeah, please. Be nice, that, wouldn't it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:11 Could supervise it, couldn't you?

Marc 0:24:12 Yes, absolutely. Crack on. Get it, get commissioned, please.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:17 We'll have a go.

Marc 0:24:18 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:18 But yeah, the Care Show is out today for those who are listening on Bank Holiday Monday. It's on BBC One at 1:30, and I was like, oh, it's Bank Holiday, who's gonna watch it? But they are repeating it at 7 PM on Monday also, so that is brilliant. So it's on 2 times today, and then it's also on iPlayer. The first 4 episodes are dropping on Monday, so you can have a little binge of the first 4.

Marc 0:24:45 So just to be clear. Yeah. It's on today. Yes. It's on this evening.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:49 Yes.

Marc 0:24:50 And the first 4 episodes are available today.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:53 On iPlayer.

Marc 0:24:54 Lovely.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:55 And the rest of the week, it's Tuesday to Thursday at 2 PM on BBC One.

Marc 0:24:58 Can't wait. I'm actually looking forward to seeing it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:01 And then the following Monday, this— the, the last 4 drop.

Marc 0:25:05 Sorry, I've just been distracted. Do you remember when you were on EastEnders?

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:08 Uh, yeah, it was quite a large part of my life.

Marc 0:25:13 And you used to have that nurse's uniform?

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:15 Yes.

Marc 0:25:17 I've just put two and two together over the care documentary.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:19 It's, it's very interesting because Sonia actually—

Speaker B 0:25:23 there is a scene in which I think they're using in the documentary where Sonia goes in and says hi to Jamie. I'm just signing up for my Level 3 NVQ in health and social care, and it's what I've done in this documentary. Can't remember it.

Marc 0:25:35 You've got to find the clip. Talk about this today at work. There's a clip where Sonia goes for the job as a nurse, and he's next to a male nurse, which is Matt.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:45 Yes.

Marc 0:25:46 And Matt is in it as an SA, and he always talks about that scene and the fact you were in it.

Speaker B 0:25:50 We should try and find it.

Marc 0:25:51 Yes.

Speaker B 0:25:52 Matt can find it. He's got loads of time. He's making snooker videos all the time. Matt Payne is a cameraman with Mark now, but he was an SA, and he acted with me in EastEnders. And does he let me forget about it?

Marc 0:26:04 He was also a jockey. It's weird because we were saying about this earlier, he filmed horse racing and he was once a jockey, and he filmed EastEnders and was once in it as an SA.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:14 Was he a snooker player as well?

Marc 0:26:15 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:15 Oh, fair enough.

Marc 0:26:16 That's the odd thing about it. But he's got this thing where he's got a— No, he's—

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:22 no.

Marc 0:26:22 Well, hang on, hang on. In the snooker, he's been on the telly now in a VT. So he's got this thing where whatever he films, he's in it.

Speaker B 0:26:30 Yeah, Joe and David love the clip, the snooker clip.

Marc 0:26:32 Yeah, he needs to get on Chatterbox and do an interview with them.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:35 Yeah, that would be good. I reckon they'd have him.

Marc 0:26:37 I think they would.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:38 They won't have me anymore. No. I reckon they'd have Matt.

Marc 0:26:40 Possibly, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:41 Yeah.

Marc 0:26:41 Yeah, I mean, the sort of guests they have makes sense.

Speaker B 0:26:44 Yeah.

Marc 0:26:45 That's not a comment, by the way, Matt, on yourself. That's just— No, it's just the genre and the way it is. Exactly. Back to the Sonia being in EastEnders with a nurse's outfit. Did you ever keep that outfit, or, or did it go back to the costume department?

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:59 Oh, it remains at work.

Marc 0:27:01 Okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:02 Why?

Marc 0:27:03 I was just wondering. I thought of it today because it's a publicity photo and you're wearing like a light blue top, and it reminded me of a nurse's outfit. I just wondered if you had it still. No. Okay.

Speaker B 0:27:13 Why don't you, when you're at work, ask to bring it home?

Marc 0:27:17 Yeah, I'm just gonna wander into costume and say, have you got, uh—

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:21 You could say Nat would really like her nurse's costume. Any way she could have it?

Marc 0:27:25 Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna do that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:26 I don't think it would fit me at the moment. It's quite small, that was.

Marc 0:27:30 I don't know if it was. Yeah. Right, okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:34 There was a larger fitting one actually, but yeah, I am expanding by the minute.

Marc 0:27:38 Okay, right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:39 Don't know why. I'm not eating anymore, not drinking anymore. Perimenopause probably. Could be my cortisol levels, it could be stress, it could be hormones, or it could be hay fever. Because what I've learned is histamines, which create the allergy that you're fighting, and all of those histamines inside you make you swell. So it might just be that.

Marc 0:28:02 Or you've just been drinking too much.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:07 No, no more than ever.

Marc 0:28:09 Okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:11 Definitely not. Anyway, going back to the Care Show, I had a few really nice messages after I was on The One Show, which I thought was lovely. Lovely to see you on The One Show again, Nat. Looking lovely. Looking forward to watching your new show.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:24 We love you. Jane and daughter Gemma from Birmingham. Lovely to see you on The One Show. I have already got Monday's programme set to record. I am a breast cancer nurse and before that a district nurse, so it'll be such an interesting watch.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:38 From Stace. Again, amazing what you do. Absolutely incredible.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:45 I'm so excited for the documentary now. I've been a carer for 10 years first in the community and now on an NHS ward in Cardiff. I couldn't love it more. It's not an easy vocation, but it gives me so much satisfaction to be a tiny part of so many people's journey and hopefully make their days a little better. I'm very proud of what I do.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:03 It's amazing. Can't wait to see your experiences. Thank you, Dagmar. And again, once you've been in that setting and once you have days where you are looking after people and caring for people, There is nothing more fulfilling than doing that.

Speaker B 0:29:24 You need a lot of empathy and a lot of care, but if you are that way inclined, there's no better feeling than walking out of somewhere and thinking, I've helped those people today, or I've made them smile. I find it fascinating. I just think carers are amazing. I had this one as well.

Speaker M 0:29:42 Hey Nat, how you doing? I've not voice noted in a while, so I thought I'd drop in. I've just finished listening to your off-brief, Tony.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:52 Brilliant, you talking about carers and stuff, and I'm excited to see the show. Uh, and it's really interesting what you and Tony were saying because I'm a carer for my mum, but I've also got to have my own life as well, and I try and do that when I can and the best I can, but people see You know, the fun parts of things I post and all of that rather than all the negative parts. So yeah, I'm really pleased that there's a show about it.

Speaker M 0:30:21 And yeah, so I'm excited to see it. And also about the sleep, which I can never pronounce, sleep paralysis, you know what I mean?

Speaker B 0:30:29 I do.

Speaker M 0:30:30 I get it quite a lot. I've not had it in a while, and I remember the first time I had it, it was so scary.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:37 Like, I thought I was dead. It was awful. And I've just got to understand what I need to do to come out of it. And so, yeah, if you want someone to talk to about it, I'm here.

Speaker A 0:30:48 Anyway, have a great bank holiday weekend, enjoy the sunshine, and yeah, and I'll see you soon. Loads of love.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:54 Oh, I love Matty. Thank you, darling, for that. Did you— because, you know, I get— I spoke to Tony about sleep paralysis, darling.

Marc 0:31:01 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:31:02 Have you ever had it? I don't think I've asked you before. Um, do you feel like you've had it before?

Marc 0:31:07 Maybe, yeah.

Speaker N 0:31:09 Yeah?

Marc 0:31:11 Uh, but I've, I've woken up and sort of not been able to move.

Natalie Cassidy 0:31:15 Yes, that's what it is.

Marc 0:31:18 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:31:18 But you can move your eyes.

Marc 0:31:19 Yeah. What I then try and do is sort of shove you and, and pull the arm off, and then I can.

Natalie Cassidy 0:31:30 Honestly, you're such a card.

Marc 0:31:32 Sorry?

Natalie Cassidy 0:31:33 You're such a card.

Marc 0:31:35 Okay, a card?

Natalie Cassidy 0:31:38 Have you never heard that?

Marc 0:31:39 No, I've heard other things, but—

Natalie Cassidy 0:31:43 Look it up.

Speaker B 0:31:44 Oh, you're such a card. It means you're funny, I think.

Marc 0:31:48 I'm not, I'm not though, am I?

Natalie Cassidy 0:31:50 I find you very funny, very dry.

Marc 0:31:52 Okay, that doesn't mean I'm funny. That's, you know, questionable. But anyhow, yeah, sleep paralysis. No, I don't recall that being a subject we've covered.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:02 I was talking to Tony about it.

Marc 0:32:04 Yeah, I actually— that voice note strikes me as a voice note to be played in when Tony's sat in his chair.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:09 No, because he was talking about the care show.

Marc 0:32:11 Okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:12 And he was talking about Matty's a carer for his mum.

Marc 0:32:15 Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:16 And it's really hit a nerve and he's really looking forward to it.

Marc 0:32:18 Very good. Well, I think—

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:20 And then it leaned onto The sleep paralysis thing. And I think it's really nice actually to sometimes mix the pods, talk about things from different pods, get your opinion on things like lasagna and mayonnaise. Would you have those together?

Marc 0:32:36 Absolutely not.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:38 Would you have salmon and salad cream together?

Marc 0:32:40 Absolutely not.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:41 There you go. Fine.

Marc 0:32:42 Is that the sort of highbrow stuff you chat about with— who do you chat about?

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:46 Me and the girls.

Marc 0:32:47 Okay. Yeah, no, that's odd.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:51 Do you shorten people's names?

Marc 0:32:52 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:53 Without asking them?

Marc 0:32:55 No. What I find really interesting—

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:57 Yeah.

Marc 0:32:58 We've had this conversation before. I dunno if we've done it on the pod.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:01 Go on.

Marc 0:33:01 I never call you Nat. I don't think I've ever in my life in 10 years—

Speaker B 0:33:06 Never.

Marc 0:33:06 Never called you Nat.

Speaker B 0:33:07 Never.

Marc 0:33:08 More than 10 years. So—

Speaker B 0:33:10 How many years?

Marc 0:33:11 12. I don't do that.

Speaker B 0:33:14 Well shaved.

Marc 0:33:15 Yeah, I don't, I don't do that. But what I find interesting, the people when they call you Nat and they don't really know you.

Speaker B 0:33:23 I think it's a thing now though.

Marc 0:33:24 Why is that?

Speaker B 0:33:25 Because I'm Nat Cass on Insta.

Marc 0:33:28 Yeah.

Speaker B 0:33:29 I'm just called Nat Cass.

Marc 0:33:31 Why is it not Natalie Cassidy on Instagram?

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:34 Because I like Nat Cass.

Marc 0:33:36 It was— it wasn't taken already?

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:38 I think it might have been taken. Yeah. But I've always been Nat Kass. I've always been sort of shortened to that.

Marc 0:33:44 Yeah, I just think it's interesting.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:47 Yeah, I do. I think it's because I'm a very likeable person. Not blowing my own trumpet, no, but I think people feel comfortable.

Marc 0:33:55 Right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:56 And they feel like they know me.

Speaker B 0:33:59 So immediately they feel warm and comfortable enough to say, oh, hello, Nat.

Marc 0:34:03 Or your name's too long for them to say the whole name.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:07 3 syllables, isn't it? The old, uh, win, lose, or draw. No, not win, lose, or draw. That was the drawing one with Danny Baker. I love that show. What was it? Give us a clue. Lionel Blair. So yeah, it is 3 syllables. No one can shorten your name.

Marc 0:34:25 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:26 M.

Marc 0:34:27 Yep.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:28 It goes the other way, as discussed with Elia. Marcus Galeonas.

Marc 0:34:32 Yeah, again, that's just earlier.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:34 Marcus Galeonas or Marky, do you know what I mean?

Marc 0:34:38 Yeah, it gets elongated.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:39 It's funny, people with short names, it goes the other way. Funny, isn't it?

Marc 0:34:43 That's true. Yeah, that is true. Yeah, yeah, strange concept.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:46 Anyway, yeah, no, it's quite— I think it's quite nice to just pick up on a few bits that have been said on other pods so people know what people are talking about, don't you?

Marc 0:34:56 I'll tell you something interesting. I had to go into a massive supermarket chain like 2 days ago, and it occurred to me that we needed some dishwasher tablets.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:08 Yes.

Marc 0:35:08 So there's like 2 massive shelves full of dishwasher tablets, and you had the own brand, and then you had 2 big brands. Yep. Like the biggest brands in Dishwasher tablets. Yeah. But there are so many different types within those brands. So there's like a bag for 55, there's a bag for 80, there's a bag for 100.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:36 Yep.

Marc 0:35:37 They're all over the place.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:39 Yeah.

Marc 0:35:40 And then on top of that, to confuse matters, this particular supermarket has a Clubcard.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:45 Yep.

Marc 0:35:45 And if you use your Clubcard, then you get a special discount, which, let's be honest, applies to pretty much 90% probably of people that go in there because everyone's going to have a Clubcard for that supermarket. job in there. So one would be forgiven for looking at this, literally the whole shelf from top to bottom covered in bags, and it looks like there's savings on these big bags, and you want to go and buy this big bag.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:13 Can I stop you? If I was in the shop, yep, I would immediately go for a big bag.

Marc 0:36:18 Me too.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:19 Saving time. And I always think a bigger bag is going to be cheaper than a smaller bag.

Marc 0:36:23 Of course it is.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:23 Always.

Marc 0:36:25 So I looked, yeah, and I didn't look at the main price. I looked at the price per weight. Now granted, if you want to be a bit funny about it, the different types of tablet might weigh different amounts per tablet. However, I had my heart set on buying a particular type of tablet.

Speaker B 0:36:47 Fair enough.

Marc 0:36:48 Which we like, we know works. So that now—

Speaker B 0:36:51 It's actually recommended for our dishwasher.

Marc 0:36:53 Which is nonsense.

Speaker B 0:36:54 We shouldn't use any others.

Marc 0:36:55 Yeah, but they've done a deal with the company. Let's be honest. It's a dishwasher tablet.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:59 I don't think that's true.

Marc 0:37:01 Nonsense.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:01 I think some of them come up misty.

Marc 0:37:03 She actually believes it. No. Interesting fact. You only get misty glasses if you have soft— Steamy windows. If you have over-softened water in in the dishwasher, as we know. If you've got a water softener plumbed in and you're running a dishwasher and then you add salt to the dishwasher, the glasses go frosty because that happened. And for the last 5 years, we've not put salt in a dishwasher and the glasses are perfect.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:35 We've not had a misty glass, have we?

Marc 0:37:37 Because we don't add salt, because we don't need to over-soften our water.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:41 Understood. Anyway, sorry.

Marc 0:37:44 That's boring. I'm genuinely now struggling to stay awake myself, so I apologise. However, yeah, there were 3 options. There was a 55 bag.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:54 Yep.

Marc 0:37:54 There was an 80 bag and a 100 bag. The 100 bag had all the pointers saying this is a big deal. Yeah, the 100 bag. I thought, oh, perfect, 100 bag.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:03 Not only a big deal, it's a big bag.

Marc 0:38:04 Perfect. Oh no, it was like £14.50 per kilogramme. The 55 bag of the same tablet was £10, £10.60 I think it was.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:17 What, per kilogramme?

Marc 0:38:18 Per kilogramme. So I bought 3 of those, cheaper.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:21 Well done you.

Marc 0:38:23 Well, so the reason we're bringing this up now is relevant.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:29 Hang on, hang on. How many in the big pack?

Marc 0:38:32 I'm not talking about numbers. I just bought 3 bags because per kilogramme it was cheaper.

Speaker B 0:38:36 Yeah, but it depends, doesn't it? Because how many are in there? So you're saying the big bag?

Marc 0:38:45 Yeah.

Speaker B 0:38:46 Was about £14?

Marc 0:38:47 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:49 And you're saying the small bag?

Marc 0:38:51 No, no, no, sorry. No, no, no, I didn't say that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:53 You did.

Marc 0:38:55 No, it's £14 per kilogramme.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:57 Oh.

Marc 0:38:58 The bag was about £20.

Speaker B 0:38:59 Oh, because I was going to say maybe the 3 bags Didn't add up to the number of dishwasher tablets in the big bag.

Marc 0:39:08 Doesn't matter.

Speaker B 0:39:09 And it— and then you've spent more money and haven't got enough dishwasher tablets.

Marc 0:39:14 No, you're wrong here.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:17 Am I?

Marc 0:39:18 Yeah, really wrong.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:20 All right.

Marc 0:39:21 Because it, it doesn't matter if the bag had one in it. If your price per kilogramme is cheaper, then by the time you've No, you're talking rubbish now. I can't wait. You started the podcast saying about people agreeing with you and me.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:39 If one was in a bag.

Marc 0:39:41 Oh my God.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:42 And you bought a small bag with 12 in. Sorry.

Marc 0:39:45 Okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:46 I'm getting confused now.

Marc 0:39:47 Yeah, just trust me.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:50 Okay.

Marc 0:39:50 Trust me.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:51 I do actually on these sorts of matters.

Marc 0:39:52 Okay, so the point of this is the price per gramme the millilitre, litre, whatever it might be.

Speaker B 0:40:01 You've got to check that.

Marc 0:40:02 That is more important than the overall price.

Speaker B 0:40:05 I do that with cheese.

Marc 0:40:06 Exactly that. I just think it's interesting that these supermarkets, especially the one I was in, really try and make out buy in bulk.

Speaker B 0:40:18 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Marc 0:40:20 This supermarket has got an aisle for buying in bulk. Specifically, but they make out that this bad idea— Right, well, don't have a go at people. No, because people think they're saving money, but they're not.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:32 My eyelashes are hurting. Can I peel 'em off? Do you mind? Is that all right?

Marc 0:40:37 I feel like I'm gonna be sick.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:40 Sorry, everyone. Oh, hang on.

Marc 0:40:43 Hates the phone.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:44 Oh, honestly. They're, look, eyelashes.

Marc 0:40:50 That's really good for the listeners, the 95% of people.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:53 Oh, I'm sorry, I've taken my eyelashes off. They're not stupid.

Marc 0:40:56 No, you just stuck them on your cheeks.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:58 Oh, it's all right. They don't mind a little bit of that.

Marc 0:41:01 The 3 people that watch this really enjoyed that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:03 Shut up. We have a lot of people watching. Audio is always, you know, first and foremost, as we know. But the amount of makeup I've got on today, I do enjoy having my makeup done. Lovely Molly does my makeup and I do love feeling good. Even sitting here now with makeup on and my hair done, I do enjoy it. I just can't do it. I can't be arsed to do it myself. It's terrible really, isn't it? Some people are immaculate. They get up every day, they get ready. If I'm at home all day, not a scrap of makeup goes on. Baseball cap. Mad, isn't it?

Speaker B 0:41:42 Can you hear that noise out there? We've got the window open 'cause it's hot, everybody, right? People are talking, nagging. People go mad as soon as there's a bit of warmth, they're out.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:53 When I was driving through the West End earlier, you've never seen the pavements like it.

Marc 0:41:57 I guarantee there was a British bloke walking down the pavement with a pair of shorts on. No shirt. Nothing else.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:02 Absolutely.

Marc 0:42:03 T-shirt over his shoulder, walking down the road. Not even over the shoulder. Like early this morning, it was like -5 and it was raining. And then later in the afternoon it's like—

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:13 But the pubs were about 15 deep outside on the pavement, you know, they're spilling into the road. It was mad.

Marc 0:42:18 Nice.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:20 Nice though, nice for people.

Marc 0:42:22 Yeah, well, it's that time of year now. We're getting there now.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:24 What are we gonna do this weekend? I know we've got the live show in Hertford.

Marc 0:42:28 Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:29 But Saturday night, how about a little barbecue? Just us. We can be in the garden. We haven't sat in the garden yet on a hot night. No, we haven't. We need to do that this weekend. I'll be bitten alive by mosquitoes.

Marc 0:42:42 But you won't talk about it though, you know, won't spoil anything.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:45 Absolutely bitten alive. Hay fever's shocking, but I'll power on through again this summer. Do you know what blew my mind tonight?

Marc 0:42:55 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:56 What are you tapping for?

Marc 0:42:58 Do you know, I did a shot today on EastEnders of someone doing that. Right. That's fine, sure.

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:08 Tapping on the table, impatiently waiting.

Marc 0:43:13 I think, I think she was just— I don't know what she was doing.

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:17 Fine.

Marc 0:43:19 I don't know why you've like— fuck, you've called me out on that. I mean, honestly, I'm just talking.

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:24 No, it's fine. I just was wondering why when I speak, could you not tap? Fine. Someone's having a right old knack out there.

Marc 0:43:31 Just don't worry about it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:33 We won't hear it. Our listeners won't hear it.

Marc 0:43:34 But maybe they will if they turn their radio really loud. I mean, let's be honest, if they're that interested in that conversation that's happening like 300 metres away when we're talking, I don't think we need to worry because we've lost them.

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:46 That is true, but I want to know who's out there. I'm so nosy. They're having a full-scale conversation. Where are they? And it's a woman. It's a woman as well. Is it a neighbour? Something going on? Have a little look.

Marc 0:44:00 All right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:00 It's worth doing that, isn't it? We haven't had any messages, have we, in the neighbours' WhatsApp group? Let's have a look. Check it out. No. Have a look. Oh, he's getting on a chair and he's looking out the window for everyone who's— oh! It's just that it's quarter to 11 in the evening.

Marc 0:44:27 I can't hear anything. It's gone quiet now.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:32 Classic.

Marc 0:44:34 It's gone quiet.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:36 Fair enough.

Marc 0:44:36 Sure it's not Eliza?

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:38 No, no, it's not.

Marc 0:44:39 Hang on.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:41 I've got a nice view of your bottom here.

Marc 0:44:52 No, it's absolutely silent.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:53 Ignore me. All right then. Okay.

Marc 0:45:00 Well, that was, that was really, uh, good, didn't it? Really worth the effort.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:08 Nice to look though. No, it sounded a bit, I don't know, like 2 women talking. I thought it might be a couple of people from the village that we know.

Marc 0:45:15 I mean, who said moving to a village you start nosing in on neighbours? I mean, that is ridiculous.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:19 Tom's book made me think, the novel, because it's all about neighbours and all of that. Yeah. Then I thought, we're really lucky with our neighbours. Sorry, we're very lucky. Some people don't have good neighbours. Some people have a nightmare. My mum and dad—

Marc 0:45:34 I bet I'm not the only person just got the Neighbours theme tune in their head.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:37 Oh, why did I say exactly the Lying.

Marc 0:45:41 I think so, but it really went into my head then.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:44 Fine. That's when good neighbours become best friends. Good friends. Good friends. It is good friends. Fucking hell.

Marc 0:45:55 I've worked on that episode. You forget things, don't you?

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:56 I know you have. You've mentioned it a few times on the pod.

Marc 0:45:59 Okay, well, there's probably people listening that have never listened to that episode, so there you go. Some new info for you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:46:04 Fantastic.

Natalie Cassidy 0:47:54 I've made a massive mum error this morning. Got up so early, didn't I? Had my shower, had my hair washed. Yeah, you did. Came downstairs, Molly was here, started doing everything. You went to work. Joni's up, Joni's ready, chatting away. And I went, 20 past 7. I said, Molly, run up the stairs. Eliza, fast asleep. I'd not remember to wake her up. But also, I think at her age, I do say to her, have you got an alarm set?

Marc 0:48:24 No, I'm sorry.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:25 She should be waking herself up.

Marc 0:48:26 Good question for next time we do a podcast.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:29 Yeah.

Marc 0:48:30 So with children, yeah, what's worse, your teenagers or your, like, you know, your pre-teenagers, your little sort of 8, 9-year-olds?

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:39 What about toddlers?

Marc 0:48:39 What's harder? Or toddlers, what's hardest? What would your answer to that question be?

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:46 I need more of a question.

Marc 0:48:51 Okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:52 Are we talking about—

Marc 0:48:53 What's harder?

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:54 No, no, no, no. Joni or Eliza? Harder as in mentally, physically, how tired I am.

Marc 0:49:03 It depends.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:04 Mentally and emotionally and the worry is the teenager.

Marc 0:49:07 Okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:09 Joanie's age, I think, is a really good age.

Marc 0:49:12 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:13 Really, really great. 7, 8, 9, even 6, 7, 8, 9, lovely age. Not worried about them.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:23 I'm worried about them emotionally, but there's nothing going on. They're not going out on their own. They're not worried. Friendship groups are okay. You know, I've been fortunate to have that experience.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:33 Toddlers, fucking nightmare. Exhausting. You have to run around after them. You can't sit down. Absolutely exhausting.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:41 Although I sat with James whilst Ellie had popped out to get her nails done the other day, and I just sat and played with James for an hour and 45 minutes with his train set, with sticker book. We played with his shark toy, dinosaurs. Oh, that's lovely. And he was so placid and so well behaved. Absolutely so lovely to just sit and play.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:12 And actually, all kids need is time. When I was doing the sticker book with him, I felt like, you know, I get a bit worried about, you know, losing the children. I can't help it, I'm a bit deep like that. But when I was doing the stickers with him—

Marc 0:50:28 losing the children?

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:29 Yeah, sort of them growing up, moving out.

Marc 0:50:32 Oh, not as in like, where is he?

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:34 No.

Marc 0:50:34 Right, okay. Yeah, no, sorry.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:36 But when I started doing the stickers with him, I thought I loved doing the CBeebies magazines with the girls.

Marc 0:50:42 You can still do them.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:43 One of my highlights—

Marc 0:50:45 You could have asked for them for your birthday.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:46 I do really like them. I wish there were adult sticker books. Is that weird?

Marc 0:50:51 There are.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:53 What do you mean?

Marc 0:50:54 Don't think they're appropriate for discussion though on the podcast.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:57 They aren't adult. What do you mean? I think they are. Why is your eyebrows raised? Tell me.

Marc 0:51:03 Just like adult sticker books.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:04 No, there aren't. Are there?

Marc 0:51:06 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:07 What, you can get stickers?

Marc 0:51:08 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:09 What, like a football album?

Marc 0:51:10 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:11 What, of like pornography?

Marc 0:51:13 I made that up.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:15 Oh, have you? You sure?

Marc 0:51:17 I'm sure it's a thing. I've just sort of invented it, but someone else has invented that, I would imagine.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:22 Right. Okay.

Marc 0:51:23 He just made me laugh when he said adult sticker books. So of course I thought adults. Of course you did. Adult joke book, adult, you know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:29 Well, me and Joni have got the football sticker book, right, from Marks's. But yeah, I loved the CBeebies. It was one of my favourite things to do, to sit down. I've always loved stickers. When I was little, I used to have a sticky label, sticky label.

Marc 0:51:48 Did you ever use the pricing label machine when you were a kid?

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:52 My dad was a newsagent, so I was obsessed with the pricing machine.

Marc 0:51:56 Okay. I was obsessed with the pricing gun. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:59 And the rolls of sticky yellow labels where he'd put the 99p on, 20p on, whatever. And then I'd have a roll and he'd bring the roll home. And as a child, as a baby, toddler, I'd have them all and I'd roll them all. And that would be, that was my comfort. I'd shove them up my nose. In my ears. Sticky label, sticky label. So I think I've always loved stickers. Even now, if there's a banana, peel off the label and I— oh, lovely sticky label. So I think I've got a thing about stickers.

Marc 0:52:33 Okay. So yeah, maybe for next time we do a podcast, it'd be interesting to know what people think about their children.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:42 I think it would be. I think toddlers is really hard. Newborns is really hard. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 is hard. In fact, it's all really fucking hard. All of it.

Marc 0:52:55 Right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:55 All parenting is hard. But you should do more parenting on this podcast. I agree, actually. But I also know that the children love us dearly and don't mind us doing the pod. But I'd certainly not sit here and talk about Eliza's life now when she's nearly 16. It's not my business to.

Marc 0:53:17 No, that's fair enough.

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:20 We can talk about parenting, but then—

Marc 0:53:21 I think most people texting in though probably haven't got a podcast where they talk about their children. I'm just interested in their thoughts on like the whole—

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:28 No, you just said you should talk about parenting more on your podcast. Yeah, but I'm saying I don't—

Marc 0:53:35 we don't talk about it a lot, do we?

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:36 No, I think you're right.

Marc 0:53:39 Could catch on, that, like a podcast about parenting and the tribulations and trials and—

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:45 I don't think— The difficulties, parenting difficulties. I don't think they need an advert, to be quite honest with you.

Marc 0:53:52 What advertising?

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:53 What did you, what did you think about, um, uh, lovely Mr. Whittacombe being a judge on Strictly?

Marc 0:53:58 I think it's excellent.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:00 Yeah? Where do you think he's gonna be?

Marc 0:54:05 Where's he gonna be? In George Lucas Stage at Elstree Film Studios between September and December 2026.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:12 Where in the vicinity do you think he's gonna be?

Marc 0:54:16 Um, George Lucas 2.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:19 Do you think he's gonna be downstairs or upstairs?

Marc 0:54:24 How do you know there's a downstairs and upstairs? They're gonna completely rechange it. What are you talking about?

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:29 There's not gonna be 3 of them downstairs.

Marc 0:54:30 I don't know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:31 I don't think so.

Marc 0:54:32 Well, there used to be just 2 of them downstairs and one of them would go upstairs.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:35 Correct.

Marc 0:54:36 So you think that there's gonna be 2 downstairs and one upstairs?

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:38 I think it's gonna be Emma, Johannes downstairs.

Marc 0:54:41 Okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:42 Josh as Claudia.

Marc 0:54:43 Other way around.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:44 Go on.

Marc 0:54:45 It'll be Emma and Josh.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:48 Yeah.

Marc 0:54:48 And Johannes will be upstairs.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:50 How are they gonna do a 2-shot? I've thought about this. No, no, no, I'm being serious. No, the height difference is insane. That's why I think he's gotta be on his own. You can't say that. I can. He's very small, Josh. He's my height.

Marc 0:55:09 He's shorter than you, actually.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:12 I'm not being rude. Emma Willis is a beautiful, lengthy giraffe-type person. Gazelle.

Marc 0:55:21 Oh my God, you're doing well here.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:23 They will understand. I tell you now, if this went out and they heard it, which they won't, They would understand what I was saying. She is very lengthy.

Marc 0:55:32 Hang on. Like when they used to do Strictly, you had Tess.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:36 And Claude.

Marc 0:55:37 And they were both downstairs and then one of them went upstairs. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:41 She's short actually, Claude, but she had very high heels on.

Marc 0:55:45 What are you talking about?

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:47 I just think the height difference of Josh and Emma.

Marc 0:55:51 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:51 Maybe she can wear brogues or flats.

Marc 0:55:55 Maybe Josh could wear platforms.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:57 Yeah, he could actually. Pair of stilettos. Anyway, it's irrelevant. I'm not being rude about them. I know them both personally and I think they're amazing. And as I said last week, it couldn't have gone to 3 nicer people, so I'm bomb happy about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Marc 0:56:14 Oh good. Well, I did, um, Josh's— I filmed Josh's stand-up on Saturday.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:18 How'd it go?

Marc 0:56:19 It's very good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:20 Yeah, it's very very funny. Oh good, when's it on?

Marc 0:56:22 I've got no idea.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:25 Brilliant.

Marc 0:56:26 But it was a very good show.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:27 I look forward to watching it.

Marc 0:56:29 At the Hackney Empire. Never been there before. That was good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:32 Nice theatre?

Marc 0:56:33 Lovely theatre.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:34 Yeah, it's an old— is it music hall-ish?

Marc 0:56:36 Don't know, but it just looked like a theatre, to be honest.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:41 Fair enough.

Marc 0:56:41 In fact, actually, I've got a comment on that, actually. Yeah. Beautiful theatre with like murals and Oh, it was really nice, really ornate and like nice place. Mm-hmm. The thing that was a shame about it, very apparent when it was empty during the day and it was dark, somebody had in like UV pen or paint on the back of all the seats written the numbers on the seats. But it, it like when the lights were up, you couldn't see it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:16 Right.

Marc 0:57:16 When the lights were down, you could just see the faintest glow of the numbers.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:20 I think that's quite clever for people who have gone to the toilet.

Marc 0:57:24 So, you know when somebody paints the number on their wheelie bin really badly?

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:33 Oh, is that what they look like?

Marc 0:57:34 And it was like painted on with the paint dripping down. Oh no. Someone had very quickly just gone around to all of these seats and just blathered the numbers on.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:44 Oh, that's a shame.

Marc 0:57:44 So when the theatre's empty and the lights are all down, it looks like they've been graffitied on.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:50 Oh, I see.

Marc 0:57:52 Really bad. Like red velvet? No, it's like a hardwood backing of the seat where they've written, they've painted it on.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:59 Understood.

Marc 0:57:59 So I'd imagine it's done for someone, not an, I was gonna say umpire. What are the people that walk around with a—

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:06 Usher.

Marc 0:58:07 An usher. Like an usher with a torch, it would quickly find the seat. I get it. I get what they've done.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:13 But it could have just been a bit neater.

Marc 0:58:15 They could have spent a bit of time on it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:16 Maybe a finer brush.

Marc 0:58:19 Or a sticker, or a signwriter could have done it. But it just really looked a bit like, ooh, the whole place looked beautiful. And then on the back of these seats, it was like 29, like paint running down the back.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:31 How was it? Right, well, do you know what, on that note, it's been a lovely pod. Hasn't it? I really enjoyed it.

Marc 0:58:41 That's good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:41 Live shows are out this week, by the way, for the autumn.

Marc 0:58:44 They are indeed.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:45 So we've got to give it a plug because I've plugged everything else tonight that isn't mine.

Marc 0:58:50 I'll leave you to plug it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:51 Well, in the autumn, we're in Bishop Stortford.

Marc 0:58:56 Hang on a minute.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:58 What?

Marc 0:59:00 When?

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:04 Um, I don't know the dates. It's too far away.

Marc 0:59:07 You need a producer.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:09 I've got 450,000 things to do in the next 3 days. I don't remember the dates.

Marc 0:59:14 Have you really?

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:15 Of those shows.

Marc 0:59:16 South Mill Arts, Bishop Stortford, 18th of October.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:22 You're reading it, darling.

Marc 0:59:24 Fortune Theatre in Covent Garden, on November the 8th.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:28 Brilliant.

Marc 0:59:29 The Demb— Demb? D-E-M-B? I would say Demby. Demby Theatre in Tring. Tring on the 15th of November.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:41 There we go. That's our 3 shows.

Marc 0:59:43 3 shows? What about the Christmas one?

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:45 That is a Christmas one.

Marc 0:59:46 In Tring?

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:47 No, the Fortune Theatre.

Marc 0:59:49 Oh, Covent Garden.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:50 Yes, that'll be the big one. That'll be getting ready for Christmas.

Marc 0:59:55 You're right, Natalie. What are you looking at?

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:56 No, the window's got to be closed because I'm going to get bitten alive now because the lights are on in here. There are no bugs in here. Yes, I've just seen one. I've just seen a mosquito.

Marc 1:00:02 So there's a link to thelifewithnatpod.komi.io. Click on that link. Do me a favour. When this pod comes out, can you please go on that page? Can you firstly try and book some tickets for the Christmas show and also try and buy a cap or something?

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:24 That has flown by. Hasn't that flown by? And it's actually 5 past 11 and I need to be in a car at 6 AM. So I need to get out of here.

Marc 1:00:33 What's everyone gonna hear about now?

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:34 Well, I'm just saying I've gotta get out of here. We're in for a great evening. I've gotta take all my makeup off and I need to get into bed immediately.

Marc 1:00:39 Great. Brilliant. Can't wait.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:44 And we haven't even started the Rivals yet, where we've been too busy. Really want to start that. Perhaps we can do that tomorrow.

Marc 1:00:52 Brilliant.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:54 Yeah, I've got to get up at 5:15.

Marc 1:01:00 Okay, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:02 I need to go to bed.

Marc 1:01:02 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:03 Why are you looking like that?

Marc 1:01:05 Well, it wasn't my idea to do a podcast.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:07 We've got to get one in. Can't let people down, can we? Gotta do it. Anyway, thank you everybody. I hope you have a wonderful rest of your bank holiday, or you've enjoyed this pod whenever you are listening. 07788 20 1919, send us a message or a voice note. Let us know your thoughts and opinions on today's pod. Listen, follow, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. And tell your friends. Thank you so much. And Mark, thank you so much.

Marc 1:01:39 Thank you.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:40 You haven't got to go to bed straight away, you know.

Marc 1:01:42 What do you mean by that?

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:44 Well, we can spend a bit of time together if you like.

Marc 1:01:46 We've done an hour and 10 minutes together. I think we're fine.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:49 Fair enough. See you, everybody.