EP243: Tony talks #24 – core childhood experiences

Natalie Cassidy 0:02:21 Hello and welcome to Life with Nat. I hope you're all super good. This is Monday, lovely Monday morning. We won't know because we're filming it beforehand.

Tony 0:02:32 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:02:32 Recording beforehand. If England have got through or not yet.

Tony 0:02:35 No, we won't know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:02:36 No. But at least we are not exhausted.

Tony 0:02:39 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:02:39 And everyone's gonna be absolutely shattered on Monday.

Tony 0:02:42 Or they're gonna be so drunk they can't see because they've been in the pub till 5 o'clock in the morning.

Natalie Cassidy 0:02:47 It's a bit of a strange one, isn't it? That.

Tony 0:02:50 Don't understand it. Just don't get it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:02:54 What gets my goat is they've pulled through a legislation in about 20 minutes.

Tony 0:03:02 That's right, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:03 And there are things that are so important that take years and years. So it shows you that it's possible.

Tony 0:03:09 If you've got political will, then yeah, you can do what you like. They can get it done. Let's put it that way.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:15 They can get it done.

Tony 0:03:15 They can get it done.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:16 There's a few other things that I think are more pressing to get done.

Tony 0:03:19 Yeah, slightly more important. than keeping pubs open all night. I've never heard the like. It's ridiculous.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:25 I mean, you're in a residential area. Yeah. I'm in a residential area. In terms of people that don't like football or the elderly.

Tony 0:03:33 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:34 Or, or people who need to get up for work at 5 o'clock in the morning.

Tony 0:03:37 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:38 It is gonna be noisy.

Tony 0:03:39 Or people that just are not interested in being on the piss all night. Like, there's gonna be loads of people that will just sit up and watch it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:45 Well, I don't—

Tony 0:03:46 they don't need to go to a pub and drink from God knows what time till God knows what time. No. I just, I just think it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:54 Sorry. Yeah.

Tony 0:03:55 Ridiculous. You know, when I was a kid, we had Argentina '78 and Mexico '70, which I was too young for. But yeah, so I've never heard anything so ridiculous in all my life. I just haven't. I mean, everyone, I like, you know, we all like a drink, but I just don't understand it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:12 Well, also, what time are you going out? Are you having a day? Perhaps people are thinking they're gonna have a day Sunday and normally say— And go to bed. Go to bed early.

Tony 0:04:20 And get up at midnight and go to the pub.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:23 No. Do you not think?

Tony 0:04:24 There might be one or two normal people that might do that, but the vast majority are just gonna drink far too much too early.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:31 Yeah.

Tony 0:04:32 And then just, I can't believe that they've said to keep a pub open till 5 in the morning. It's not Smithfield Meat Market. The only place I've ever known a pub to be open at 5 in the morning is Smithfield Meat Market, 'cause they had special licences.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:44 For when everyone finished.

Tony 0:04:46 Yeah. Yeah. When everyone finished, they could have a drink and a pint. and a breakfast at 7, 5, 6, 7 in the morning. Yeah. 'Cause I was up all night. It was the only place, as far as I'm aware, it was the only place in England where you could get a pint at whatever time in the morning. And it was closely monitored as well. You couldn't, like, no one could just turn up and go there.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:03 Yeah, you needed to show your—

Tony 0:05:05 Well, you needed to work in the meat market basically.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:07 Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tony 0:05:08 I just can't believe, it's beyond me. Sorry, I just—

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:12 And what are you planning to do?

Tony 0:05:14 Go to bed.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:15 But what, not watch it?

Tony 0:05:16 No, I'll try and watch it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:17 Yeah.

Tony 0:05:18 I'll try and watch it. So I'll go to bed and maybe, you know, try and stay awake as long as I can and put it on. But if I, you know, I'm going to work Monday, I'm not, I'm not having a day off Monday to watch England. I'm just not doing it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:31 I mean, I even heard the talk of them trying to shift a bank holiday for Monday. I was thinking, what is going on? I mean, maybe that was just hearsay or what have you, or, you know, someone talking about it. But I thought, it's not— we've not won it. It's not the final.

Tony 0:05:46 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:46 And even if it was, we're talking about a sport.

Tony 0:05:49 I think if it was the final, it's different.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:51 Yeah.

Tony 0:05:52 Sorry. No, it is different.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:54 It is. Yeah.

Tony 0:05:56 1966 and all that. I think it would be different if it was some ungodly time. And then I can— I still don't understand opening the pubs all night. Sorry, I just don't. I just don't understand it. 'Cause people, look, let's be honest, people can't behave themselves at the best of times. No. You know, you have to chuck 'em out at, 'cause they're just gonna keep going on and get silly. Yes. So I, I just don't even wanna, if we lose, I don't even wanna think about what's gonna happen. 'Cause you'll have lots of very, very, very, very, very drunk people.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:23 Angry people.

Tony 0:06:25 Angry drunk people. Mm-hmm. And yeah, I don't even wanna think about it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:28 It's a shame, isn't it? It's a shame that people spoil it 'cause it is a really communi— fam— it brings the country together.

Tony 0:06:34 It does, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:35 And you know, I, I put on that Free Lions song in the car or whatever. Yeah, it is, it's great. And I really love it. It's great, yeah.

Tony 0:06:41 But, but, but that's the nature of people sometimes. Yeah. Is that some people just wanna just can't help themselves. They've gotta go too far and—

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:47 Yeah.

Tony 0:06:48 It just, yeah, I don't, I don't get it. And, and to, and also to, to be able to rush through emergency legislation in 20 minutes or whatever it is so that they can open pubs for a football game.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:02 I can't believe it. I genuinely can't believe it.

Tony 0:07:05 I don't think any government's able to change the colour of their pens in 20 minutes, let alone put, put emergency legislation through so everyone can go on the piss all night.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:13 Well, I think it's a really good thing because what it shows is that they're able to do things quickly.

Tony 0:07:19 But they're clearly not. This, this is, this is just an exceptional circumstance.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:23 Well, unfortunately, the exception, they've been uncovered.

Tony 0:07:25 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:26 So we now know that legislation—

Tony 0:07:28 Well, if there is political will to get something done, then they can do it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:31 And I think they're doing it just because everything's in a bit of a state at the moment. And I think Keir wants to leave with people saying, oh, do you remember though, he did that. Yeah. And he did that.

Tony 0:07:41 And when we got beat, everyone smashed up Trafalgar Square. Which happened the last time, 'cause that's what happens. Sorry, but it does.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:50 Well, there we go. We can't predict the future.

Tony 0:07:53 No, we can't.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:54 Hope there's no violence.

Tony 0:07:55 No, let's hope not.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:56 I hope we're still free when this goes out.

Tony 0:07:57 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:58 And everyone's in a good mood.

Tony 0:07:59 Yeah. And our cars are all intact afterwards.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:01 Absolutely. Apart from yours. What have you done to that wing mirror? I've got a beautiful new van out there.

Tony 0:08:06 Didn't do anything to it. Parked it up.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:08 Oh, someone smashed it.

Tony 0:08:10 And someone's just smashed it to pieces. And what was really annoying, And this is really annoying. So there's a wing mirror switch.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:18 Yeah.

Tony 0:08:18 So you get outta the car or get outta the van, sorry. And you're supposed to flick the switch and the wing mirrors come in. Yeah. That particular day I might have been coming up to you. I can't remember now.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:28 No, it's my fault.

Tony 0:08:29 No, it's not your fault. What was happening? Something was happening. Oh no, no, I was going out for a curry.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:33 Right.

Tony 0:08:34 Right. So with the fishing lads.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:35 Yep.

Tony 0:08:35 So I raced home from work. I was home a little bit earlier. I had some stuff, something to do. And I, and I couldn't get the van on the drive. because the car was parked a little bit funny. So I thought, I'll just leave it there and I'll come out and sort it out before I go out. Yes. And then I've run around, run around, I've done some stuff and whatever, come back, and then I've, I've had a shower. John's— Johnny's come to pick me up, mate. Johnny's come to pick me up and I've gone out and there's this wing mirror, just, there's all bits of wing mirror all in the road.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:01 Sorry.

Tony 0:09:02 And I've realised, I know you shouldn't laugh.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:03 I shouldn't laugh.

Tony 0:09:04 And then I've realised that I've forgot to put the, the, done the, do the switch so that the wing mirror comes in. But what, you know what's really annoying is I found out the next day, if you go into settings, you can make it automatically come in, which I never knew, because obviously—

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:17 Well, it's new, isn't it? So that's not your fault.

Tony 0:09:19 Yeah. And it turns out it's, um, it'd be easier to find Aztec gold than a wing mirror for a brand new Ford Transit van. Because I don't know if it's, um, a problem with the supplier/manufacturer or the complete incompetence of my local garage, but I've now been waiting nearly 4 weeks for a wing mirror.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:40 It's ridiculous.

Tony 0:09:41 I mean, luckily what's left, I've salvaged it and I can drive.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:44 You can see. I can see and I can drive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tony 0:09:46 But again, it's one of them, you know, you just think, how hard can it be? Give 'em the reg, phone Ford up, get a wing mirror delivered, put it on.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:53 I know what to do.

Tony 0:09:54 What's that?

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:54 Phone Keystarmer up. Oh, you can do it in 10 minutes? You can do it in 10 minutes. Yes. It'll be like that.

Tony 0:09:58 Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:59 It'll be there. Yeah. With you.

Tony 0:10:01 It'll deliver it personally.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:03 Absolutely.

Tony 0:10:04 But the worst bit of it is as well, sorry, this is, this is, this is sort of technology and, um, you know, new stuff and new vehicles and whatever. Yeah, they've decided to put the Bluetooth receiver for the radio in the wing mirror.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:18 No, they haven't.

Tony 0:10:20 They have, right? So possibly the most ridiculous design fault ever.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:28 What I want to know, one wing mirror or both?

Tony 0:10:33 Well, it would appear to be the driver's side because that's the one that smashed to pieces, and I've got no radio. So I'm now driving about in complete silence unless I play music on me phone, which is fine, but I don't always want to do that. I quite like the radio, listen a bit of talk sport.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:47 Absolutely.

Tony 0:10:48 And whoever— so someone at Ford, right, has had this thought process. Oh yeah, we used to have an aerial on top and that got broke a bit sometimes. People snapped it when they put a great big bit of 4×2 through it because they had a roof rack on. So rather than putting a shark's fin in or something, a smaller aerial.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:06 Yes.

Tony 0:11:06 which is what I would do. Someone thought, well, what's the most broken, damaged, uh, piece of the— what's the bit of the van that can— that generally, if you've got these and you don't forget to do what you should do, they get smashed to pieces on a regular basis. What's the only piece of this van where you need a season ticket for the Ford Parts Centre? It's the driver's side wing mirror.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:31 Ridiculous.

Tony 0:11:33 Because they just get smashed to bits by, you know, you get a dust cart or a bus or some, just someone that can't drive. Yes. Too close, come down the hill, wallop, smashed to pieces. And they've put it, it would appear they've put the Bluetooth receiver for the radio in it. So now I've got, it's, it's 900 degrees centigrade, I've got no radio and the van's telling me there's snow on the road. I've got the frost, you know, the thing that comes up when it's frosty. Frost.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:59 Yeah, yeah.

Tony 0:11:59 So I'm getting in the van in the mornings, but it comes up and apparently I've gotta be careful in case I've hit some ice.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:06 Oh, well, it looks nice.

Tony 0:12:10 Yeah, it looks nice, but it is quite annoying, you know?

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:14 It is annoying.

Tony 0:12:14 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:15 You don't need it, do you?

Tony 0:12:16 Not really, no, not, not. But then it's sort of part my fault. You gotta blame yourself, haven't you?

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:21 Oh yeah. I don't think so though.

Tony 0:12:23 Well, it is really. I should have put it on the, on the drive and I didn't. And then I left it out and it's just asking for trouble really.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:28 No, I know, I know. But it's a sort of series of unfortunate events.

Tony 0:12:32 Yes. Yeah, it is.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:33 Yeah, it is.

Tony 0:12:34 But there we go.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:35 There you go.

Tony 0:12:35 But what's happened, sorry, just as an aside, so I've upgraded, you know, you get these upgrades for the iPhone.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:40 Yes.

Tony 0:12:41 They come, don't they? You upgrade. Yes. Just do it. Now it screens calls.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:46 That's right.

Tony 0:12:47 Which I didn't know. I haven't asked for it. So there's every chance that someone's phoned up and it screened the call and they're just like, oh bollocks, put the phone down, phone someone else. That could have happened.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:56 Possibly.

Tony 0:12:57 Yeah, but we'll never know, will we? So. There we go.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:00 Sorry. But everyone's got that if they've done an update, remember?

Tony 0:13:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not new. Yeah, it's not new, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:05 You look like Tony Soprano in your shirt this evening.

Tony 0:13:08 Thank you very much. I dunno if that's good or bad. I mean, he was a very handsome man, by the way, if you don't mind me saying.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:12 Well, it's a very smart shirt.

Tony 0:13:14 Well, it's from Marks Spencer's, you know. You know I like a bit of M&S.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:16 I certainly do.

Tony 0:13:17 So I need—

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:17 But the colour's lovely on you.

Tony 0:13:18 Thank you, yeah. I've got a slight tan.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:21 You have got a tan.

Tony 0:13:22 Got a little—

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:24 How are your bites? One of my bites is bleeding.

Tony 0:13:26 Didn't mean it, but anyway. It's all on here. Oh, I've got 'em everywhere, look.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:29 Oh, everywhere, everywhere. Yeah. For all the listeners, we're just showing everyone our butts in the video, which isn't very nice.

Tony 0:13:35 It's not very nice at all. Yeah, it's very comfortable. It's linen. You look very cool. Yes, I feel very—

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:40 You can't beat a bit of linen. No, you can't.

Tony 0:13:43 You can't.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:44 It's so nice.

Tony 0:13:45 No, no. Can I tell you my story?

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:47 Yeah.

Tony 0:13:49 About, you said I look like Tony Soprano and I look quite well and whatever. Yeah. I've always, over the years, I've always had I've, uh, how can I put it? I've always had interest from men.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:02 Yes.

Tony 0:14:03 Which I think you know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:04 Yes. Yeah, you've told me that before.

Tony 0:14:05 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:06 Yeah.

Tony 0:14:06 Quite a funny story, which I've just recounted to a few people at the weekend. Um, I was fishing a couple of years, oh no, longer than that, about 3 or 4 years ago.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:14 Yeah.

Tony 0:14:15 And once you've set up and that, before the match, you might have 20 minutes where you just sort of mill about on the bank, you sort of walk and talk to people. And I was talking to this fella I know, um, I know him quite well, um, just an acquaintance, fishing acquaintance.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:27 Yeah.

Tony 0:14:28 So I'm chatting away to him and he said to me, um, he sort of stopped me and I said— he stopped me, he said, hang on a minute. He said, look, he said, I'm not a homosexual, right? But I'm strangely attracted to you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:42 Right.

Tony 0:14:44 Which threw me a little bit. Yes. Which I wasn't expecting. And as a consequence, I didn't really catch a lot that day.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:51 No.

Tony 0:14:52 Because it was quite a strange conversation to have in the middle of December.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:55 Yes. Yeah. But how did it go after that? You can't leave it there.

Tony 0:14:59 Well, I just sort of— What happened? I just sort of left it and didn't quite— I didn't really understand the, the gist of the conversation. Oh, he's not actually. He's absolutely not.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:09 Well, I know, but there are lots and lots of straight men. I know gay men who only sleep with straight men. Well, I know gay men who say, no, I only, only sleep with—

Tony 0:15:18 Well, I don't know if I'm, I'm opening up a can of worms here, but Yeah. And, and we went out for lunch a couple of weeks ago and I've got a couple of stares as well from, from gentlemen. Yeah. Yeah. So I must have, maybe I've just got that look. I don't know of, of whatever that look is. I don't know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:34 I don't know if there is a look. Is there really? You're a handsome man and—

Tony 0:15:37 Yeah. Really? I'm not sure about that. Well, fishing for compliments, but I'm not sure.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:42 Well, yeah.

Tony 0:15:44 So over the years there's been quite a lot of that really. Yeah. Which doesn't, you know, I don't find it offensive really.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:50 No, of course. Why not?

Tony 0:15:52 No, I find it quite sort of, it's quite nice really. Yeah. In some ways, but—

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:56 Well, you're flattered, aren't you?

Tony 0:15:57 Yeah, it's flattering. Yeah. Yeah. And I had another fishing mate who said to me, I told you before, he said, I walked into the tackle shop and he swore I'd had some work done. He said, you look like a Hollywood film star. I put, I put me cream on, you know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:13 Yes, your cream. The cream, yeah. Your cream.

Tony 0:16:16 Yeah. And again, you know, sort of this sort of—

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:19 But it's nice. I think it's nice that I met— listen, it's rare, I think, from your business, what you do all day. Yeah. Down to the sport that you play. All the things you do are quite alpha male.

Tony 0:16:32 They are.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:32 So, yeah. So I think if someone pays you a compliment, a man pays you a compliment, you've just gotta be used to it. It's quite rare. It's rare to see.

Tony 0:16:39 It's very, very, very rare. And I'll tell you another really big male thing. I know you've done your thing in Copenhagen this week with about weight and all the rest of it. Yeah, I have. Yeah. But another really big male thing And I don't know if any of the, any of our listeners or whatever will subscribe to this. I don't know if their husbands have ever mentioned it, but men love to tell other men they've put on weight.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:57 Really?

Tony 0:16:59 Yes, they literally do. They, if I see somebody, right?

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:03 Yep.

Tony 0:17:04 And I think, put on a bit of weight, I'll go, you look really well.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:08 Yeah.

Tony 0:17:08 Right. You look really well. That's what I would say.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:11 Yes.

Tony 0:17:12 So I saw someone the other week. I haven't seen him for a while.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:14 Yeah.

Tony 0:17:15 And he's put a little bit on, but that's, I'm not judging, right?

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:18 No.

Tony 0:17:18 And I just went, oh, you look really well. Someone else walked up to him and said, fucking size of you. Look at the size of you. Like, it just didn't, there was no filter. There was no—

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:27 That's terrible.

Tony 0:17:28 It's a man, honestly, that is, that is quite prevalent in men where they just, they, they think it's fine. Like, you know, they can't hurt someone's feelings. You can't possibly hurt someone's feelings.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:37 Well, again, it's that alpha male that we're talking about here.

Tony 0:17:39 Yeah. It's that. I could say what I like and it ain't gonna hurt your feelings. So, and I'd find it a bit strange. Yeah. Because if you went and said that to a woman, she, you'd probably get knifed in the eye.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:49 Yeah.

Tony 0:17:50 With a pencil or some other object that's in her handbag.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:54 Well, hopefully.

Tony 0:17:56 But do you know what I mean? It's sort of, it's sort of accepted. It's like an acceptable thing where you can just point out someone's deficiencies, particularly with putting on a bit of weight. And everyone laughs about it. Goes, oh yeah, isn't it funny?

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:07 It's not funny.

Tony 0:18:07 It's not funny at all, actually. No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:09 But I mean, women, as women, we all talk about weight all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Don't we?

Tony 0:18:12 Yeah. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:13 But I would never, ever say to anybody, oh, have you put a bit of weight on?

Tony 0:18:18 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:19 Ever?

Tony 0:18:20 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:21 No. Mind you, interestingly, then there's the conversation and argument that when you say, oh, you've lost loads of weight, you look really well. that shouldn't be alright either. Because actually, some people might have lost weight because they're poorly.

Tony 0:18:38 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:39 Or there's something wrong. Mhmm. Or they're under stress.

Tony 0:18:41 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:42 So I don't know why losing weight is a positive thing.

Tony 0:18:44 Because everyone's under pressure. We're conditioned. We're conditioned. No. Everyone's under pressure to lose weight, aren't they? Everyone's under pressure. Yeah. You're all too fat. You're all too big.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:51 Well, as I say, I, I, I had a really great time over in Copenhagen. It was amazing, actually. Really eye-opening. Yeah. Really good conversations with a lot of different people. Mhmm. And it's just really important to, to Just brave and take a step and say, we're all here doing our best. Yeah. And to stop trying to be something you're not.

Tony 0:19:13 That's true. But it doesn't help when you go to the doctors and they tell me I should be 4 and a half stone lighter than I am.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:19 Well, no.

Tony 0:19:20 That, that seriously, my ideal weight is supposedly is 4 and a half stone less than what I am.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:29 Yeah. Well, when I go to the doctors with the chart, which is absolutely prehistoric, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. The BMI chart, it doesn't work now.

Tony 0:19:37 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:37 It's, I dunno why they're using it. It's actually been, it's, I've done work on it. It's not, it's just not, it's ridiculous. But I am near obese.

Tony 0:19:48 I'm more, I am, I'm, I think I am more clinically obese. Mm-hmm. Officially.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:54 Yeah.

Tony 0:19:55 Or close to it. Yes. If I had to, if I had to be what they want me to be, I would literally have to live on fresh air and water. I, I'd not be able to eat at all.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:04 Well, that's why none of these things works, cuz we are all so different. Yeah. It's genetics. Yeah. It's stress.

Tony 0:20:09 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:10 It's cortisol. Yeah. How you take things on.

Tony 0:20:12 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:13 And we are not, we are absolutely not, our metabolisms are very slow.

Tony 0:20:19 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:20 Like a lump. It's our genetics.

Tony 0:20:21 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:22 We don't, we, we eat and we put weight on. Yeah. We look at something and we put weight on.

Tony 0:20:25 Yeah, that's right. It is.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:27 It's the way we are.

Tony 0:20:27 So I didn't mean to get into the weight, but no, no, it was the, it, it was the thing, you know, about blokes really. Yeah. Alpha males you mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. And it is absolutely a thing. I mean, a lot of people won't admit it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:36 No.

Tony 0:20:37 But it's absolutely the, a thing is where someone thinks that they're being funny or, and they'll walk in and go, Carl, look at, look at you. You put, you put a load of weight on, haven't you? Like, I suppose. And funny, like literally it's, yeah. And you, you can see the, You can see the person's face drop and you think, well, I can't say too much, or I'm not gonna make a big thing out of it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:57 Yeah.

Tony 0:20:57 It's like saying you wouldn't walk in and go, you're really ugly, ain't ya? Or, you know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:01 No. Or whatever.

Tony 0:21:02 Oh, you're bald.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:03 Yes, exactly.

Tony 0:21:03 Oh, you've gone really bald, ain't ya? People don't say that. But when it comes to weight, they've got no filter at all.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:10 Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. Is that the same for you boys who listen to this pod? 07788 201919. There's enough of you out there. Or stories that the husbands have come home and told you Let us know. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's horrible actually. It's not very nice. It's not nice. Well, it's putting people down, isn't it?

Tony 0:21:28 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:28 Is that sort of, I'm the king of the jungle type thing?

Tony 0:21:32 Yeah, I think it's, I think it's more, well, I don't know actually. No, it might be a little bit of that, but it, it can also be people just playing up in front of other people. And it can also be that someone's just not very nice.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:44 Yes, it can. Yeah.

Tony 0:21:45 That's another thing. They're just not very nice person.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:47 I know. But there are people, it's, you know, a bloke at the pub for instance, he just likes to talk and whatever he's talking about, It's not really conducive. Just be quiet. Yeah. Everything that comes out of his mouth is stupid.

Tony 0:21:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:59 But he likes the sound of his own voice.

Tony 0:22:00 Yeah, there's loads of people like that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:02 And you just think, just be quiet. You've got nothing good to say. No. There's nothing interesting to say.

Tony 0:22:06 No, it's just cobblers. Just be quiet. Yeah, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:08 And it's always comments like, not, yeah, but a bit like that. Yeah. Or commenting on someone's trainers or just—

Tony 0:22:14 Yeah, just, just if you can't say anything nice, say just be quiet. Just be quiet. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:20 Lucky we're not quiet because we wouldn't be doing a podcast.

Tony 0:22:22 Well, I think we wouldn't have many listeners, would we?

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:24 No, not really.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:42 From our last pod, we got some lovely messages. Really, really nice.

Tony 0:24:49 We got some crackers actually.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:50 Really nice. We've got one here from Camilla. I never got a Mr. Frosty. I will forever be sad about that. And my mum sold my Scalextrics and I have never ever forgiven her. Oh, she must hate that as she has been the best mum ever, and I still harp on. So that was Camilla's 2 little disappointments. But we've had, yeah, quite a lot of people talking about the disappointments. Yeah, yeah. So you obviously spoke about your football boots.

Tony 0:25:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:17 And Shelley said, hi Nat and Tony, that football boots story stopped me in my tracks. I can't bear you never got your football boots, Tony. I can't cope with disappointment kids feel. I imagined if it was my boy. Shelley. Does that really upset Shelley? No. You didn't get your boots.

Tony 0:25:34 That was time compared to the other one.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:36 So what's, what's the other one? Go on.

Tony 0:25:39 I mean, this, this is, the football boots was, was the precursor. It was the preamble to this one.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:45 Go on.

Tony 0:25:46 When I was around 8 or 9, I, I discovered fishing. I, I know I go on, but you know when you just find something and it just resonates and you just think, I wanna do this?

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:53 Yeah.

Tony 0:25:53 And I was infatuated, literally infatuated. I, I wanted to talk fishing. I wanted to go fishing. I wanted to read about fishing. I'd like, literally, I was just mad about it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:05 Yeah.

Tony 0:26:06 So I used to go to my local tackle shop was Ashpoles, which was in Newington Green in, in North London, if anyone knows that area. And in those days there was lots of tackle shops about, there was loads of anglers, loads of clubs. There isn't anymore, it's just changed. So I would regularly go to Ashpoles and I would just go in there and I would sit in there.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:24 And have a chat with people.

Tony 0:26:25 And have a chat and people would come in and out and I would spend a couple of free hours or whatever. On Saturdays, it was just, I just would go up there and just talk fishing and listen to people. And they'd say, oh, this one's coming in and that one's coming in. And I'd speak to 'em or, and you know, one day I said to my, I'd love to work in a tackle shop. I really, really would love to work in a tackle shop. And they went, well, we might have a job for a Saturday boy going.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:50 How old were you here?

Tony 0:26:52 I would've been about, 10 or 11, I suppose. Sorry, my heart's pounding now saying it. It's terrible, innit? So I said, well, you know, that would be my dream. So they started giving me little silly things to do.

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:11 Yes.

Tony 0:27:12 They'd gimme some bits and pieces to put in plastic bags and put some stickers, not paying me. I said, look, I don't want any money. No, no. And they said, look, we'll just try you out a few bits and pieces. And I did this for a few weeks and it was going okay and whatever, you know, they just said, oh yeah, well, come, come, come in next week. And when you come in next week and do a few couple of other bits for us and riddle some maggots. Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:33 Yeah, yeah. Do whatever.

Tony 0:27:34 I went in one Saturday and I walked in and, um, there was this— there was a boy behind, behind the counter.

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:41 Yeah.

Tony 0:27:41 And, um, I walked in and I, I said to the, like, the guy, the owner, I went, who's that? And he went, that's John. He said, we've given him the job as a Saturday boy. And I— sorry, this is the truth. If the Grim Reaper would've walked up to me at that point and said, I'm gonna take you now, is that all right? I'd have gone, yeah, take me, I'm gone. Oh. I can't tell you, I mean, the disappointment, I cannot even describe the feeling of disappointment. My stomach was on the— I was heartbroken.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:17 Yeah, yeah.

Tony 0:28:18 The fact that they hadn't spoken to me or said, look, we've got this other kid and we think he's a bit better. And I'd have been upset, but the way I found out was absolute— I can't tell you how it still affects me to this day.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can understand that. Yeah, yeah.

Tony 0:28:35 And it was—

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:35 And also it's the whole— I can imagine you on the Saturday excited to go up there, walking up there. And seeing that, you know?

Tony 0:28:43 Yeah. And it was just so unexpected. A, it was so unexpected, which was the main one. But it was that feeling of total rejection. That's what it felt like.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:53 Was there a feeling of jealousy as well? No. 'Cause it was a boy?

Tony 0:28:56 No, there wasn't at the time. Afterwards there was.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:58 Yeah, yeah.

Tony 0:28:59 At the time— But it was just rejection. I didn't even see him. It was just complete rejection. And I couldn't breathe. I was like—

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:06 Oh, don't.

Tony 0:29:07 Honest. It was absolutely— It was soul destroying is the word.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:13 But all the— and all these things shape you.

Tony 0:29:16 They do, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:17 They do.

Tony 0:29:17 Yeah. I still have fucking nightmares over it. That's how they shape you. Crazy, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And I think, I mean, that's my one. I mean, there's probably people probably got theirs and they probably don't. It's probably not as simplistic as not getting a job in a fishing tackle shop. There's probably much deeper, darker things that have gone on or whatever. But Yeah, that was mine. I mean, the football boots paled into insignificance compared to that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:40 Yeah.

Tony 0:29:40 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:40 Yeah. The next little piece of this pod may contain something that the children's ears might not want to hear, so you might wanna switch it down. Cheers. So mine was, and it's not, well, again, I do think it shaped the way I am now. It was December and finding In Mummy's wardrobe.

Tony 0:30:05 Oh, Christmas presents.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:06 All the Christmas presents.

Tony 0:30:07 She wasn't very good at hiding them.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:09 But all at the top of her wardrobe. And I must have been looking for them. Of course you do.

Tony 0:30:13 We always did.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:14 But I couldn't, couldn't believe it because I must have been really young.

Tony 0:30:18 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:18 And I remember that feeling of, oh, it's not, not what I thought it was. It's not what I thought it was.

Tony 0:30:25 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:25 And that was really disappointing. Yeah. And I wonder now, if that's why over the years I've been so ridiculously over the top about storing 'em in different places.

Tony 0:30:37 Not being found. Not, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:39 I've been really fastidious about that.

Tony 0:30:41 Securitas turning up on Christmas Eve with a big box full of, where you've had 'em offsite for the last 4 months. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:48 But that was a huge one for me. Yeah. And I won't forget that.

Tony 0:30:51 Yeah. The realisation that it's—

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:54 Just the realisation that it's not true.

Tony 0:30:56 Mm-hmm.

Speaker I 0:30:58 Tony, I promise you, Step One pants will be good for you. I really feel they will be, um, because they just were— as soon as my husband put them on for the first time, he was just like, wow, these are the pants.

Speaker I 0:31:14 Because his mates at rugby had a pair and someone accidentally got the wrong size. They couldn't be bothered to send them back, so James got his first free pair, tried them, great. So then we bought another pair, and then every time it's Christmas or birthday, people, we say, can you just buy one pair of these pants? So now he's got several pairs of Step One pants and they're brilliant. So maybe that's what you need to do, um, ask someone to buy you a pair of the pants if you've got, um, you know, well, it'd be Christmas now, wouldn't it, because you've just had your birthday.

Speaker I 0:31:45 But yeah, Christmas, you might get some pants, Tony. Nice. Anyway, hope you're all right and you're surviving the heat wave. I'm just filling up a million pools in my back garden, um, because we currently don't have a hosepipe ban in Derbyshire, so I am pre-empting emptying that happening. We did have one filled up last week from last Friday, and we emptied it last night.

Speaker I 0:32:06 And every night I was just chucking it all on the plants in the garden, so I try not to waste the water either.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:11 Brilliant. You've had loads and loads of pants, loads of pants messages. Um, we're gonna do a, um, pants try-on.

Tony 0:32:20 I think we need to do a, yeah, a little pants try-on.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:23 It won't be video, it will be audio only.

Tony 0:32:26 You don't want No, it's definitely not gonna be video.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:29 It won't be video. It'll be audio only on Patreon. And I will have my back to Tony, 'cause as we said— You'll be out the room, young lady. As we said, you said, how are we gonna explain? It's gonna be fucking weird if you're in the room.

Tony 0:32:40 Yeah, that's right. Very weird.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:41 But it's fine. We'll work it all out. Yeah. I can step out while you're trying, trying 'em on.

Tony 0:32:45 Okay.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:46 Logistically, it's a bit mad. It is a bit odd. Emma is a magician and she can edit it all together. Yeah, sure. It'll be fine.

Tony 0:32:51 Fine. I just get confused. I mean, people have said about Step One, I'll go on and it says what type of body shape are you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:58 I know, we'll have a look, we'll have a look.

Tony 0:33:00 I don't know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:01 I mean, one here. Yeah, from Lord Neil. Okay, um, Lord Neil is a regular listener to the pod. Hanes Comfort Flex Fit Total Support Pouch. Get Tony to try these, game changer. I'm a baker So I'm in 375-degree heat all day. I'm a larger-bodied guy and I switched to these last month. $15 on Amazon. So there's another pair for the trial. There's loads of them.

Tony 0:33:29 That's the thing. There's sort of loads. There's quite a lot of different ones.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:32 You've gotta find—

Tony 0:33:33 I've gotta find, 'cause nothing's working at the minute that I've got.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:37 Well, we would—

Tony 0:33:38 I mean, I've been a bit remiss doing it. I haven't really, you know, sort of, you know, I haven't really gone out and had a proper look and I'm so quite busy and stuff. Yeah. Things going on.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:47 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tony 0:33:48 And every time I think about, oh, I must try and sort me out, Something else more important comes up.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:53 I'm wearing the same bra after 12 years. I don't worry about it.

Tony 0:33:56 I'm not— if— yeah, but that's 'cause it's comfortable.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:58 I know, but it's not right.

Tony 0:34:00 If I had a pair of pants I liked, I'd wear them for 12 years, you know? Not— I'd wash 'em in between. No, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't mean I'd wear 'em for 12 years.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:09 Absolutely. Now, this is lovely.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:13 Hi, Nat and family. Hope you are well and surviving the heat. Here's my childhood letdown story from me to my daughter. Tilly, I'd like to take this opportunity to publicly apologise for one of the greatest parenting failures of all time. On your 10th birthday, we proudly gifted you a trip to Harry Potter Studios, a magical adventure.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:36 Fast forward 10 years, and somehow that gift is still loading. To make matters even worse, your little sister Bella casually went there on a school trip, To your credit, you've never moaned about it. In fact, we've had a laugh, and you say you'd rather go somewhere with animals instead. I promise I will make it happen, and in my defence, we have had lots of brilliant days out. I just seem to have spectacularly dropped the quaffle on this one.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:03 Sorry, Tilly. If it helps, my own childhood disappointment was hoping for a Mr. Frosty and never getting one. Love you lots. Here's to making up for the lost magic. So the moral of this tale is make sure you book something before you gift it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:17 And I'll tell you something now, on Eliza's 9th birthday, we wrote in her card, we are all going to see The Lion King, and we still haven't been. And she mentions it. So if Eliza was here now, she might say that's her disappointment. That's her disappointment, yeah. And you're absolutely right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:39 You can't write it in a card unless you've bought it and you've booked it. Booked it.

Tony 0:35:42 You got the tickets. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:44 So true.

Tony 0:35:45 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:45 So true.

Tony 0:35:46 Is that 2 Mr. Frosties we've had as well?

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:48 2 Mr. Frosties.

Tony 0:35:49 Wow. Those were quite a big thing, weren't they? Way back when.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:52 Big thing. I don't think I had a Mr. Frosty. What did they do?

Tony 0:35:55 Was they ice cream? You put water.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:58 Yeah. It was sort of a slushie maker.

Tony 0:35:59 Slush, slush maker. I remember 'em. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:01 Yeah. Little snowman.

Tony 0:36:02 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:03 Cool little dude.

Speaker J 0:36:04 Hey Nat, this is Kelly from New Zealand. This is for Tony Talks.

Speaker J 0:36:09 It's about childhood things that you were always promised. Well, I remember, well, it wasn't really, I wasn't promised, I was promised it, I got it. It was a £100 note from my boss when I was 14. I worked in like a local kind of corner shop for the whole of the school holidays. And I thought, £100 note.

Speaker J 0:36:24 So my mum always said she would keep it in a safe place for me and I'd be able to get it one day. Well, that was at 14. I'm now 49 and I'm still waiting for that £100 note. And I still have digs at her and it's a joke and it's funny, but £100, come on, mum, give me it back after all this length of time. But oh well, never mind.

Speaker J 0:36:44 Sending my love to you all. Kelly from New Zealand. Love you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:48 £100 note.

Tony 0:36:49 I've never, never seen a £100 note. So is that— so she's got a Scottish accent.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:54 Yes. So is that a Scotland thing?

Tony 0:36:55 Might be a Scottish note. Or is it a New Zealand £100 note? I don't know. It's New Zealand dollars, isn't it? I thought.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:01 I think so. Or is it pounds?

Tony 0:37:02 I don't know. Well, anyway, number one, it sounds like it was a bit moody because it was a £100 note.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:06 Yeah.

Tony 0:37:07 It's probably not really real. By the sounds of it. But we're not sure.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:10 We're not sure.

Tony 0:37:11 But if her mum's nicked her £100, that's a bit strong.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:13 That's out of order.

Tony 0:37:14 Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's well out of order.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:16 It's well out of order. Although you kindly gave Joni some money for her broken arm.

Tony 0:37:21 Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:21 And I spent £15 on it for a cab.

Tony 0:37:25 That's right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:25 Because I had some cash, but she will get it back.

Tony 0:37:27 Well, you know, I didn't even need to venture that information.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:30 No, but what I'm saying is sometimes when there's cash there and you need it for something.

Tony 0:37:33 Oh no, we do the same.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:34 And then I'll But then we'll go out to Hobbycraft and she buys something and I'll go, well, that, that was your thing from—

Tony 0:37:39 Yeah. Yeah. We do it at home. Like James might have a couple of, a few quid and we need it for something and we pinch it off him and—

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:44 Give it back to him. Not give him back.

Tony 0:37:45 Not give it back. Don't give it back. We do give it back. Don't give it back. Or Evie might have a couple of, you know, a couple of pounds from her birthday stuff and we, we need it for something. So.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:53 But I think that's fine as long as you remember.

Tony 0:37:55 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:57 But yeah. Not, not 'cause it's 20 years later. Well, it's not just that. 20 years.

Tony 0:37:59 If that was invested wisely, That's obviously a lot more than £100.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:03 It's true.

Tony 0:38:04 So I think there's a potential court case there.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:06 Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe just go onto Google, how much would this be now? And then just say to your mum, you owe me 2.5 grand.

Tony 0:38:14 Yeah. Because if I, if I invested it in high risk bonds and trust or whatever it is, don't invest in bonds. Whatever it was. Yeah. Whatever it is. 'Cause we're good at that stuff. Crypto. Yeah. Yeah. If I'd invested it in Bitcoin, it'd now be worth £85 million.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:27 So that's what I need off you. That's what I need.

Tony 0:38:29 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:30 Nothing. Nothing done.

Tony 0:38:31 That's a great, I mean, that's exactly, yeah. Yeah. And there's a solicitor's letter winging its way to you as we speak. Definitely.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:40 Well, there you go. Try that one. Yeah. That'll be nice.

Tony 0:38:43 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:43 Nice conversation with the family.

Tony 0:38:45 Do it, do it just before Christmas as well.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:46 Yeah. Or birthday.

Tony 0:38:48 Or birthday or something like that. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:49 Sort of family gathering.

Tony 0:38:50 Yeah. Or before a christening or wedding. Wedding, something like that. Just to add a bit of spice to it.

Speaker B 0:38:55 Hi, Nat and Tony, it's Angie in Northampton.

Speaker K 0:38:58 I've just worked out that my childhood disappointment is actually 40 years old this year. I was a massive A-ha fan in 1986, and I had A1, A2 posters on my bedroom wall, mainly of Morton Harket, um, from A-ha.

Speaker B 0:39:21 And my dad at the time worked for a kitchen company in London And happened to show 3 young men around the factory and the showroom because they were buying a flat in London and needed a new kitchen.

Speaker K 0:39:36 And it turns out that it was our house. They had no idea and never got their orders across, and it still hurts.

Tony 0:39:46 Yeah, it's not Dad's fault though, is it? Well, I mean, he's not going to be, you know, he's not going to be okay with the popular, popular modern culture, is he? You know, I mean, imagine that Santa Marta, you know, if that— I don't know, if David Bowie come into his shop, he wouldn't know who he was. No. And they go, oh, this bloke come into me shop today, he was a singer.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:05 Yes, yes.

Tony 0:40:06 His name was David. He's called Davy Jones. I've got some other name there, name it after a knife. That would have been that sort of conversation, wouldn't it? David Bowie's coming to your shop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know who he is. Don't know, I ain't got a clue. Yeah. It's a bit unfair really.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:21 I understand she's disappointed that he got to meet them and she didn't.

Tony 0:40:26 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:27 But it's not his fault that he didn't know.

Tony 0:40:29 But if, if they'd have said, if he'd have been walking around the factory and he'd have said, well, lads, I mean, well, you're not from around this way, are you? And they'd have said, oh no, we're from Norway. And, uh, what do you do then? Oh, we're singers, you know. And, uh, anything on? No. And they might say, oh yeah, we just had a number one, well, you know, with a car-owned thing and whatever. Anyway, if that happened and he didn't know that his daughter had him on the, on their then I think he's culpable.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:52 Definitely. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough.

Tony 0:40:53 But I don't think that was probably the conversation. He's probably saying, do you want gloss or matte?

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:57 I thought that was gonna go. That story, when I first heard it, I thought it was gonna go. And then Dad ripped all my posters down to redecorate the wall.

Tony 0:41:05 Yeah. And I was absolutely furious. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:08 Yeah. There was another disappointment that I will never forget. I had a film on VHS that I'd taped.

Tony 0:41:15 Oh, it was taped and someone taped over it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:17 And it was, I'd not taken out the little tag.

Tony 0:41:20 The little tag.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:21 And Daddy taped the golf over it.

Tony 0:41:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:24 But I think it was A Sword in the Stone or something like that.

Tony 0:41:27 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:27 Just something really good.

Tony 0:41:28 Even taking the tag out then didn't— you could put sellotape over it and it's—

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:33 there you go.

Tony 0:41:33 So it didn't, didn't matter. You could break the tab. Sorry, this is for people of a certain age.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:38 It is actually. Sorry. Yeah.

Tony 0:41:40 Video. VHS cassettes. VHS. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:43 Big black ones that we'd put in and you could record things, tape things.

Tony 0:41:46 And I had a little basically had a little tag at the back, and if you didn't want it to be taped over, you broke the tag off. So there was a hole instead of a piece of plastic.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:56 Yeah.

Tony 0:41:56 And that normally meant don't tape over this. But what people would then do is they'd get a piece of Sellotape and put it over and tape over it anyway. And it used to cause quite a lot of arguments.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:05 A lot of arguments. Yeah.

Tony 0:42:07 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:08 Yeah, I was very upset about that one.

Speaker M 0:44:20 Hi, Nat, just wanted to drop you a message. It's Rebecca from Nottingham again.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:24 I'm just listening to the Russell Howard podcast that you're on and really enjoying it.

Speaker M 0:44:30 2 of my favourite podcasts come together, so it's really brightened my day.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:34 Aw, thank you very, very much. Yes, I did Russell Howard's.

Tony 0:44:39 Oh yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:39 That's 5 Brilliant Things. Mm-hmm. And you name the 5 brilliant things, you have a chat about 'em.

Tony 0:44:43 Oh right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:44 It's quite good.

Tony 0:44:44 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:45 If I had to ask you—

Tony 0:44:46 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:47 5 brilliant things that you can't live without or that you love, what would they be? Putting you on the spot now.

Tony 0:44:53 God. Putting you on the spot. What a question.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:56 Maybe do it next time. We have a think about it, we'll do it next one.

Tony 0:44:59 Is that— are they inanimate objects or is it paper?

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:02 Anything you want. So I did, uh, napping.

Tony 0:45:04 All right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:06 I did, um—

Tony 0:45:07 Bit weird.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:08 I did napping, brilliant things. I can't even remember what I did now. That's terrible, isn't it? Oh well, I can't remember.

Tony 0:45:17 Oh well.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:17 But anyway, it could be anything, something you'd like. You can be funny with it. It doesn't really matter. Yeah. So I just think it's quite a good, good one. Am I allowed to copy Russell Howard's podcast with you? I think so.

Tony 0:45:31 Well, you're not copying it, are you? Sort of. You're—

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:35 Well, firstly, I'm fucking promoting it.

Tony 0:45:37 Well, you're promoting it, number one, but it's not a copy, is it? You're saying, I went on Russell's podcast and he said, done this, and so what are yours?

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:45 Yeah.

Tony 0:45:45 You're not going, I've come up with this really brilliant idea. I was sitting in the bath the other day and I thought, shall we do 5 brilliant things?

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tony 0:45:53 And then you're sort of plagiarising terribly.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:55 Yes. And probably gonna get— Sued.

Tony 0:45:58 A solicitor's letter, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:59 Fine.

Tony 0:45:59 So I'm sure he wouldn't mind.

Natalie Cassidy 0:46:00 But anyway, 5 brilliant things.

Tony 0:46:02 5 brilliant things.

Natalie Cassidy 0:46:02 Have a little think and we do it next time. Be good.

Speaker N 0:46:05 Okay. Hi, Nat. I can't think I can keep this under 1 minute, but I'll be as quick as I can. Just going back on your last pod with Tony about the hydration breaks. So I saw a reel, TikTok, something the other day that basically said, obviously the major sport in America, Um, is American football.

Speaker N 0:46:23 And how many quarters do they play? 4 quarters. So if you split each half of football, our football, into 2, you get 4 quarters. And what do they do in these breaks? They play adverts.

Speaker N 0:46:36 And there was a statistic shown that the cost of showing an advert, depending on what game and what time slot, it can cost from $250,000 to $750,000. Wow. And this was a rough calculation this guy was doing in this video, and it basically said that FIFA, being a nonprofit organisation, will make in excess of $204 million through these hydration breaks and splitting them and then getting companies to show adverts. That's just what I saw on socials. Uh, yeah, so Shelley from Dover.

Speaker N 0:47:10 Cheers.

Natalie Cassidy 0:47:10 Thank you, Shelley. Obviously, I know they're for adverts.

Tony 0:47:14 Well, I, I was a bit naive last time. I wasn't And you said to me, what do you think of 'em? And I said, well, you know, European players and stuff, it's probably a good idea to take some Motrin. But yeah, it was a bit naive.

Natalie Cassidy 0:47:26 What a load of bollocks. Yeah. Football has been going for how many years? How many years has football been going?

Tony 0:47:33 I dunno, since 1888 or whatever. A long time.

Natalie Cassidy 0:47:35 Yeah, yeah. They don't need a break.

Tony 0:47:37 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:47:37 I don't care how hot it is, sorry.

Tony 0:47:39 No, but it now transpires that it is all about money and it's all about trying to make it like American football.

Natalie Cassidy 0:47:44 Well, it's not American football, it's football.

Tony 0:47:47 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:47:47 It's not American football. Yeah. I'll tell you what we'll do then. And the Masters does really well, doesn't it, on Sky? That's lovely. What we'll do now, we'll get all the footballers and we'll dress them up in golf gear with a golf club. Should we do that now as well? Hmm. Or should Wimbledon players be wandering about? Or should we have more breaks for that? I don't really understand. We have a game that's 45 minutes with a break and 45 minutes. You can't change the game.

Tony 0:48:11 Yep.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:13 Understood. So not having it, and it changes the game. It changes things. I mean, in our— I have to say, there's been a couple of times where I thought, thank God for the hydration. Thank God for the hydration break.

Tony 0:48:23 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:23 Thank God for the hydration break. 'Cause it changes the thoughts and the pace.

Tony 0:48:26 Yeah. It changes the pace.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:27 And the possession and everything.

Tony 0:48:28 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:29 But it's not right.

Tony 0:48:30 It's not right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:31 It's not right.

Tony 0:48:32 It's not right. And interestingly enough, that last clip that of us talking about it. Yeah. Or mainly you having a rant, which is quite good. Yeah. Me having a rant.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:41 Yeah.

Tony 0:48:42 Got how many views?

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:43 Yeah, it's quite big.

Tony 0:48:45 Well, go on, say.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:47 Well, 3 quarters of a million. That's quite a lot. Still going.

Tony 0:48:50 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:50 Yeah, no, it is a lot. But I do think the whole Instagram algorithm, how you get likes and posts, I don't— I think some people really understand it or they have people working for them that understand it.

Tony 0:49:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:05 But from what I can see, People on there, if there is an opinion and people start commenting underneath, which creates conversation between themselves. Yeah. So it's not even about the video anymore. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:18 It's about something going on underneath. That's what sort of bolsters those views, I think. But you can't force it. You put your clips up, you get what you want. But it was really nice and it again gained me lots of, lots of followers.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:32 So our pod page now, @lifewithnatpod, I've got another, like, 4,000 people. So thank you to everyone who's following. Yeah. And maybe even started listening because of it. So, you know, there is a reason for these posts, and that is why social media is really positive.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:46 Yeah. So it's good. Yeah. Really good.

Tony 0:49:48 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:48 So what can I say now that I fucking hate?

Tony 0:49:50 Oh, don't get on hate.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:51 Well, I'll just have a right old rant. No, I'm joking. I'm not gonna do that. Not gonna do that at all.

Speaker O 0:49:58 Hi, Nat. It's Joanne Hitchin, and I need to have a little rant About the summer. So I've just overheard on the pod, um, other listeners talking about your hay fever and their hay fever. Mine's awful.

Speaker O 0:50:10 I am pretty pale, so I've still got the festive factor 50 on. All about the antihistamines. My hay fever is awful. But last week I got a chest infection. That's cleared, but the hay fever is making it hard to recover properly.

Speaker O 0:50:24 So I went back to the doctor this morning. Oh my gosh. So she said, she asked me, have you got a sweet tooth? I was like, I'm sorry? Oh, because you need to be avoiding sweet stuff because they're full of histamines.

Speaker O 0:50:38 Avoid alcohol, full of histamines. Anything processed, certain fruits even. Wonderful. And aged cheeses and dairy can produce more mucus, so avoid all that as well. So not only Do I get burnt and have awful hay fever?

Speaker O 0:50:55 I try to enjoy the summer, you know, for the strawberries and the cocktails and drinking a rosé in the garden. I can't have anything. I can't do anything. And then the last bit of it, she said, oh, try to avoid warm environments.

Speaker P 0:51:11 I'm sorry? This is— look, what?

Speaker O 0:51:14 Honestly, have you seen next week's forecast? It's I'm supposed to be running Race for Life on Sunday.

Speaker P 0:51:20 I can't bloody breathe.

Speaker O 0:51:22 Anyway, sorry, I'm ranting and raging. Here's to all the hay fever sufferers who can't even enjoy the good bits of summer. Lots of love. Sorry for ranting.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:31 Bye. You carry on ranting, Jo. I'm with you. I mean, I'm with all you.

Tony 0:51:36 She's basically got to live in the fridge.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:37 Live in the fridge. Don't eat, don't drink anything. Don't, for God's sake, enjoy yourself. I'm not doing it, I'm afraid. Yes, I moan about hay fever, but I'm very good. I honestly, I get on with it. I have my tablets. I went into Tesco's this week and Allevia tablets that I usually get, they're 120 milligramme behind the counter. Allevia hives, 180s. They're selling them now, 180s, which is great. Wow. 'Cause usually I take 2.

Tony 0:52:05 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:05 Of the normals. I don't go to the, the doctors for it. I probably should. But I just know how to handle it now. My eye drops, I've got my spray for my nose. Yeah. I've got the 2 tablets, and I just have to complete, keep doing that. Keep doing that. Can be hard if I'm sitting in the garden with a bottle of rosé. That can make it a bit worse. But I tell you what, Joe, I'm not stopping it. So, no. Just have to deal with it.

Tony 0:52:27 Well, you know, Evie suffers terrible, don't you? Terribly. Terribly. Terribly. And she's been under the hospital for the last 5 years. I know. I know. There is actually a, there's a hospital in London that's next to Great Ormond Street that specialises in Allergies and stuff, which no one really knows about. And every year she goes in there at certain times, they inject her with pollen, tree pollen and whatever. The idea is, is that your body will gain resistance towards it and whatever. And it's not made any difference. She's still in a terrible state at times. I mean, she was doing her exams this year.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:58 I know.

Tony 0:52:59 And how she did 'em, I've got no idea. I mean, she was in such a mess. It's debilitating. It's terrible.

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:05 My friend Jamie phoned me up Oh, it was a voice note actually. And he phoned me, he said, I'll tell you what, this hay fever. He said, I feel like I've got the flu. He said, I got up, I was stumbling about. I said, that's how I feel every day. Yeah. When I wake up. I just, I'm just used to it now.

Tony 0:53:18 When people go, oh, you got hay fever, they've got no idea. They have no idea. It's so debilitating when it's really bad. It's draining.

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:23 Yeah. You can't see. Showers, itching. It's just the tiredness for me. 'Cause your body's fighting all the time. Fighting, yeah.

Tony 0:53:30 All the time it's fighting. And also for girls and women as well. You know, you can't wear makeup if you're going out.

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:37 Hair's gotta be all back up.

Tony 0:53:38 Yeah, hair's gotta be back scraped off your head. You, you know, you get, you know, you'll get your— all your eyes look terrible. Swollen. So it's not just the hay fever and what you're dealing with. It's then you're going to the social situations and people going, oh, what's wrong with you? Yeah. What's wrong with your eyes? You know, and all that sort of— you get all that sort of stuff. So not so bad for blokes because, you know, it's not as important. You know, we don't—

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:00 Well, it is.

Tony 0:54:00 No, it's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not as important. 'Cause it's not, it's not, if I've got a gammy eye or whatever, you know, 'cause I've got hay fever in it and people go, I'll just go, I've got hay fever and they go, all right. They're less judgmental about blokes than they are women, without a doubt. Your mates might be. My mates will be. Yeah, definitely.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:18 Oh, it's about how we are, right? It's about how we are, right? Hello, Popeye.

Tony 0:54:21 Yeah, that's right. Look at the state of you, ain't you ugly?

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:23 Aye, aye.

Tony 0:54:23 Yeah. You look like that bloke off that film. Was it The Elephant Man?

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:31 Pub's got a bit of music on tonight.

Tony 0:54:33 Oh, is it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:34 Can hear it.

Tony 0:54:34 Oh, can you? What is it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:35 Not sure.

Tony 0:54:36 All right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:36 A singer, I think.

Tony 0:54:37 Okay, well, we'll maybe we'll pop outside in a minute and just have a little listen. Have a little listen.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:41 Sit in the garden, have a little listen. Little jam. Nice.

Tony 0:54:43 Little sing-song.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:44 If anyone can hear anything, yes, we've got the windows open. You know why. I'm not going over it again.

Speaker Q 0:54:49 Hello, love. Hello, Tone. I'm just, uh, just catching up on Tony's talks, and you've, uh, said about this childhood disappointment.

Speaker Q 0:54:57 Now, I know you said nothing to do with like like, you know, loss or anything like that, and it's not technically that, but when I was about 5 years old, we had a German Shepherd, gorgeous thing called Blue. And I was told by my mum and dad that, um, he was so special that he was becoming a police dog. And I believed this my whole entire life until probably About, I'd say, 6 or 7 years ago when I was telling the story in front to somebody in front of my dad, and I was like, oh yeah, remember when Blue become a police dog, Dad? Or I, you know, I know he's not going to be here anymore, but I just know he was gonna be— he was such a good police dog. And my dad said, are you joking?

Speaker R 0:55:50 I was like, no.

Speaker Q 0:55:51 And he was like, the dog got put down. The dog had to, you know, it, it was at the end of its life and, you know, it had some sort of, you know, skin condition or something.

Speaker S 0:56:02 And yeah, the, the vet said he had, he had to go.

Speaker Q 0:56:05 So that's what we told you.

Speaker Q 0:56:07 So literally, I mean, I'm 40 now, so for 30 years— I was 5, 35— yeah, so for 30 years I was convinced that my lovely Blue had gone to be a police dog. And now when I look back and people would say their dog had gone to, you know, gone to a farm, apparently that is also the, you know, brief over of, no, that dog's passed away. And I've, you know, it's only just occurred to me on the whole farm thing. I mean, just honestly, such a huge disappointment. I was absolutely, at the age of 35, heartbroken all over again of my dog from when I was 5 years old.

Speaker Q 0:56:53 Honestly, has broken me. Absolutely broken me. So yeah, that's mine.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:59 Oh, Sam, my Alice Tinker.

Tony 0:57:03 Um, that's a shocker. It was terrible.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:06 But for some reason, do you know what, I shouldn't—

Tony 0:57:09 look, it's terrible, isn't it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:11 No, because I don't— I can understand.

Tony 0:57:12 It makes me smile because I, I can just imagine this this 15-year-old Alsatian with one leg blind.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:22 Helpless.

Tony 0:57:23 Hopping about, pooing itself, you know, blue. It's such a state that it's, you know, you know where it's going. But as a child, you don't know. You don't know, do you? Yeah. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:32 And in a way, I think actually that is a lovely thing to do because a 5-year-old doesn't need to know that information.

Tony 0:57:41 I'm in two minds. So there's one part of me that says it's a really nice thing to do.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:46 Protecting.

Tony 0:57:47 Protecting. But then as a child, I would think, well, why does my dog wanna go and live on a farm and not be with me? Why, why, why has it left me? So is it, it might be worse.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:56 Yeah.

Tony 0:57:56 Doing that than saying, look, sorry, it's the dog's time. He's had to go to the kennels in the Scott or whatever the, you know, whatever you say.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:05 Yeah.

Tony 0:58:05 Yeah. And that, that's it. And, and accept it rather than, I would, I would be sort of thinking, Why, why, why is it gonna be a police? What, you know, why is it, does it not wanna be with me? I think the police dog story's better than the farm.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:20 I think the police dog story's good 'cause it's as if his need has been called out.

Tony 0:58:24 Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:25 And he's sort of really important. Well, if you said that he's going to work for international rescue. Yes. Yeah.

Tony 0:58:29 Or, you know, he's gonna go and find people in mountains that are buried.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:32 Exactly.

Tony 0:58:32 But, but the farm one, I don't understand that. That's basically saying the dog doesn't like you anymore. It's gone to work on a farm. It's true though, isn't it? Why's he come to the farm? Don't like you no more. No, don't like it. Don't like it around here. He wants to be on a farm. Loads of animals and rats. New people, friendly people, nice people.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:51 People that play with him.

Tony 0:58:53 Yeah. People that, yeah, give him time. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:56 Oh, that was a really good subject, that, wasn't it?

Tony 0:58:59 It was, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:00 If anyone's got any more, keep it rolling in. And you've, you've seen, yeah, pets, disappointments. I just, I like that.

Tony 0:59:08 I like the pet one's quite good though. Yeah. I must say that's opened up a whole new avenue, isn't it? Mm-hmm. As to, you know, what you were told about your pets.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:16 Yeah.

Tony 0:59:17 Where they may or may not have gone.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:19 Yeah. Didn't Mummy kill the terrapin from Hanover by bleaching its—

Tony 0:59:24 I don't know that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:25 I think I brought the terrapin home and I think it died 'cause she kept bleaching the tank.

Tony 0:59:29 She probably, yeah. Yeah. That sounds like Mum.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:32 Yeah. There you go.

Tony 0:59:34 I remember I bought some goldfish once and some small, and, you know, some small freshwater fish and put 'em in a tank.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:42 Yeah.

Tony 0:59:42 I was really gonna look after 'em. And I think it might have been the summer of '76 or another hot summer after that. And she basically, they were on the dresser.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:52 The dresser, but on the window. They were on the dresser.

Tony 0:59:54 No, no, they was on the dresser in the shade.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:56 Right.

Tony 0:59:56 And Mum decided to put 'em on the window. When I came home from school, I'd boiled goldfish and she, she couldn't understand for the life of, she didn't know why they died. I went, mum, they've been in 90 degrees of sunshine for the last 4 hours. I mean, you could have made a cup of tea with the water. That wasn't a disappointment for me. That was, how did you not realise that he was gonna kill these fish?

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:20 Yes.

Tony 1:00:21 By putting 'em on the windowsill. And she honestly said, well, I thought they'd like a bit of sunshine. Yeah. Because they're stuck on the dresser. I said, they're on the dresser because it's shady. And they're not gonna die. And that is, that's, that's a fact.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:33 I love that though. I thought they'd like a bit of sunshine.

Tony 1:00:36 Bit of sunshine. Yeah. So I put 'em on the, I put 'em out, I put 'em on the, on the windowsill.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:40 Bless her.

Tony 1:00:40 And I came home and there was these, I, we had boiled goldfish for dinner.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:44 Bless her heart.

Tony 1:00:46 But there we go.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:47 There we go. Right. On that note, it's been a pleasure as always. Have a lovely, lovely week everybody. I'll speak to you soon. Please remember, Patreon if you fancy joining. There's lots of bonus stuff over there. That's www.patreon.com/lifewithnatpod. Go to my Ko-fi, which is on my Instagram, to see all of the live shows, get some tickets for that. There's loads going on. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back Thursday and I'll speak to you then. Tom, thanks so much.

Tony 1:01:16 Pleasure.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:17 See you soon. See ya.

Tony 1:01:18 Bye. Bye.