EP239: Nat’s Nieces #54 – Is there pressure to know everything and anything???

Els 0:02:29 I've got pak choi, tenderstem broccoli, and baby corn.

Roro 0:02:50 Munch too?

Els 0:02:51 Ah, it's very munch too.

Roro 0:02:54 Comes in the pack with the baby corn.

Natalie Cassidy 0:02:56 If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a stir fry. Not for me.

Els 0:03:00 Yeah, I never used to like them, but I'm really into them. But for me, pak choi is the number one. Mm.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:09 I like a bit of pak choi with rice and maybe a bit of salmon, but noodles with veg all in it all together.

Roro 0:03:14 It's, it's, it can't be mushy. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:16 I don't, it's not for me.

Els 0:03:19 That's why I like to do it. 'Cause Jack normally does it. Mm-hmm. But I like to be in control a bit.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:24 Fair enough.

Els 0:03:25 I had beef stew last night. What?

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:28 I did find it a, a really strange choice.

Els 0:03:33 It was absolutely torrential, awful outside. I was cold. And I thought, I've got beef that I need to use up. I've got—

Roro 0:03:43 What sort of beef?

Els 0:03:44 Like diced beef.

Roro 0:03:46 Why would you have that in there?

Els 0:03:47 I had it in the freezer 'cause last time I had, I'd bought 2.

Roro 0:03:49 Right.

Els 0:03:50 I had celery, I had carrot, I had all bits to use and I thought, I'm just gonna go for it. And then the sun came out the minute I put it on. sweating it was.

Roro 0:03:58 What did you have with it?

Els 0:04:00 Little roast potatoes and some peas.

Roro 0:04:03 It was really nice. It's fucking June.

Els 0:04:05 I know, but I knew then it would just go in the bin 'cause it's been in the freezer for a little while and by the time winter comes round, you would've thrown it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:13 No, it's good. I mean, I made a bolognese.

Els 0:04:15 Yeah, that's all right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:17 Which is fine, but still a hearty winter meal, isn't it?

Roro 0:04:21 It is. But the kids, it's just easy. One pot. I can prep it early. Yeah.

Els 0:04:26 And James had it too, albeit he didn't really like it.

Roro 0:04:29 So I've noticed I do something when I'm cooking.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:33 What do you do?

Roro 0:04:34 Especially when I'm making bolognese or sauces, pasta.

Els 0:04:39 You taste it and put the spoon back in?

Roro 0:04:41 Oh yeah, always.

Els 0:04:41 Not if you're cooking for people.

Roro 0:04:45 Yeah, always.

Els 0:04:45 Gross.

Roro 0:04:46 So if I'm using tomato puree—

Els 0:04:49 You suck it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:51 Always.

Roro 0:04:54 I can't help it. I get it out the fridge, I open it, I suck some out, I put it in, I suck some out.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:01 I do it the other way. So I'll get it out, I'll put it in, and then have a little, and then have a little suck and put it back in the fridge. No, I do it both ways.

Roro 0:05:09 Out the fridge, undo, suck, put it in. Sometimes not. On the way back, suck. Isn't that mad?

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:14 Yeah.

Roro 0:05:15 My uncles used to have the tins. Yeah. And they used to open it and I used to get a spoon and just eat it. Well, no.

Els 0:05:20 Do you not remember the tin story with me? I, I was—

Roro 0:05:25 that was, yeah, Mum.

Els 0:05:26 I had a friend's birthday party. It was a hot day. I had a little summer dress on. Dad had, was making a sauce and there was the, he'd have always get out the little tin of puree. It would be on the side. But obviously what we then do, don't we, once we've used it, is we swish it with some boiling hot water and put it in. I picked it up not realising he'd already used the puree and it was now full of boiling hot water. And obviously it's tin, so I've then gone thrown it and it's all gone down me.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:57 Oh no.

Els 0:05:58 So yeah, I had quite bad burns, which wasn't very nice.

Roro 0:06:01 You're lucky though. Yeah.

Els 0:06:02 No, no, I wasn't scarred, but it was really bad. And because I had a dress on, so everything was exposed.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:07 Taught you a lesson, didn't it? Yeah. Greedy bastard.

Els 0:06:09 Exactly.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:10 It's like when I burn my mouth when I'm eating all the stuff out of the roasting tin and you burn your mouth.

Roro 0:06:16 Or when you make a roast chicken. Oh, and you like pick off the, the gubbins and then it's burnt.

Els 0:06:23 How good is all the shit? The best. Of the, all that orangey brown bit.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:27 The best bit.

Els 0:06:29 Is it the fat?

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:29 In Michelin, Michelin, Michelin-starred restaurants. I sound like Gem from New Jersey. In, in, I've had before. You don't.

Els 0:06:39 I've had, thank you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:42 I've had that gubbins where they roll it out and they They dry it so it's in wafers. The best.

Roro 0:06:49 Oh, like skin. And that's the skin as well.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:51 Yeah. But do you really?

Roro 0:06:52 So you all do the puree thing?

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:53 Yeah.

Els 0:06:54 I don't do it every time, but I've certainly done it many a times.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:58 I wouldn't say every time, but yeah, it's been done.

Roro 0:07:00 Anything else?

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:02 I like to talk to myself as if I'm doing a cooking programme.

Roro 0:07:05 Oh no, we have spoken about this before, haven't we? Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:07 So that's a bit odd. And I do that now as an adult.

Roro 0:07:10 Do you really?

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:11 Yeah.

Roro 0:07:11 I remember I did, used to do it when I was younger.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:13 And I, when I taste now, I do chuck my spoons in the sink. Something I learnt from Cooking with the Stars. I never put it back in.

Roro 0:07:19 I know, I'm still like that. If I'm doing it, if it's for us, like I don't, then I will.

Els 0:07:23 Jack comes in, he has a go. It's all right.

Roro 0:07:26 Yeah, he likes to try the salt. I mean, I'm not, yeah. You could just rinse it. That's quite lazy.

Els 0:07:30 Do you ever, like, if you drop pasta in the sink, do you ever get it out? Always. Every time.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:35 Loads of times. What about— Anything.

Els 0:07:37 What about when Natalie spent 4 days making a broth and then threw it all down the sink? That was the tears. 'Cause she didn't put the sieve in there.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:44 It was 4 days, all the bones, all the fat, beautiful from Christmas. Do you remember?

Roro 0:07:49 I mean, I've done that and I've got the bottle in the freezer. I think it's been in there for 4 years.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:52 Like the Christmas puddings I made and none of you could find them and you threw 'em all in the bin.

Els 0:07:58 Yeah. Don't waste it on us.

Roro 0:08:00 Yeah, no, it's funny stuff like that, isn't it? The food thing. I was thinking of more like cheese is a, whenever you're doing cheese stuff, I take a bite.

Els 0:08:08 Oh yeah.

Roro 0:08:09 Out of it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:09 I don't ever take a bite. I'll take a slice off. I'll never bite it. You know what, Mark's funny, innit?

Els 0:08:14 He gets funny about—

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:16 Yeah, no, I'll take a slice.

Els 0:08:17 My hands in the grated cheese.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:18 Yeah, he don't like that. Does not like that at all.

Roro 0:08:21 How do you get in the grated cheese?

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:22 Oh, with a spoon. Or pouring it into a bowl. Everyone's germs are in the grated cheese packet and then you're putting it back in the fridge. It is true.

Els 0:08:29 It is true.

Roro 0:08:30 See, like Ruby will get the lump of Parmesan, grate it, and then she's just gnawing on it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:34 But that's all right.

Roro 0:08:35 Yeah, but that's what it's, it's funny, those little habits.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:40 Anyway, welcome to Life with Nat today. Hi everyone. Happy Monday, your favourite day. Um, can I just say that Patreon has launched today?

Els 0:08:50 Oh, has it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:52 So please go to patreon.com/lifewithnatpod and join the family. There's going to be lots of bits and pieces on there, and today is your time to see the live Hertford show. So if you—

Roro 0:09:06 So that's what we're launching with.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:07 Yeah. If you wanna see us in action. And I think that's really good.

Roro 0:09:10 Hold on a minute. We haven't seen it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:12 Nope.

Roro 0:09:12 We need to vet it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:13 No, no time for that. Sorry about that.

Els 0:09:16 Oh dear. Forgot about that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:17 So.

Roro 0:09:17 Oh, that's fun though.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:18 So I just think it's lovely for people who can't come. Yeah. That lots of people around the UK always say, oh, when can you do it here? Yeah. Ireland, America, Australia even. And now people can join the club. Come and join the fun.

Roro 0:09:31 And get to see.

Els 0:09:31 I wonder who'll be the first member of Patreon.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:34 There's already some. There's already some. Ah. Because they can join and then they'll get a notification and it'll, it'll start.

Els 0:09:41 Nice. Do you get to see who they are?

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:44 Well, what's brilliant about it is there is a family group chat so we can chat to all the Patreon members. Oh. So there's a family group chat on there.

Roro 0:09:52 Like we ain't got enough to do.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:53 Well, there you go. You'll be hearing from all of us and it'll be good fun.

Els 0:09:58 Excellent.

Roro 0:09:59 Exciting. There we are.

Els 0:10:00 I brought something up last week and realised we never discussed it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:03 Well, it's 'cause we have so much to say.

Els 0:10:04 We started talking about stealing thunder and you asked where it was from, and then it was Max and we went on to that subject.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:11 Yes.

Els 0:10:11 Yeah, what do you reckon about getting engaged at someone's wedding?

Roro 0:10:16 Hideous. I don't like that at all.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:19 Well, what about when I got engaged in Whitstable? the day after Brendan's wedding. How'd you feel about that?

Roro 0:10:30 But it was just you two, wasn't it?

Els 0:10:32 Was you then seeing them?

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:34 We went back to the— we went back to the hotel to say we were engaged, but obviously it wasn't the day. So what, people get engaged at the wedding? Yeah. That's not acceptable.

Els 0:10:45 I think if you had— there could be some certain instances where if you sort of like, let's say it was me and Maria, and Jack had said to Maria, I think it would be really lovely Like at the end, if you try and throw your bouquet at the end and then we'll set it up that Elia catches it.

Roro 0:11:04 That is fucking disgusting. No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:06 Maria would be like, absolutely not, it's my day.

Els 0:11:08 Even as a bride, I would be like, it's actually my year. But even as me, like being engaged, I'd be like, oh.

Roro 0:11:14 What an anticlimax. It's not about you. Yeah. Yeah. No.

Els 0:11:18 Yeah, no, that's—

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:19 No, I agree.

Els 0:11:19 But not just at weddings, what about like other things, you know? I dunno, be, you are having a big party and then someone announces they're pregnant and you're like, no, it was bad. No, I don't. That can't be helped in cases.

Roro 0:11:32 No, not announcing preg— no.

Els 0:11:34 But that's, that's, people would see that as stealing thunder.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:36 Well, let's hear about it. That is a really good, who's stolen your thunder? 07788 20 19 19. You're always stealing our thunder. Sorry. Talking over the fucking thing. I think she'd learned by now. 07788 20 19 19. Send us a little WhatsApp message, please, or a voice note.

Els 0:11:57 I reckon there'll be some crackers.

Roro 0:11:59 Yeah, there's gonna be loads. No, I do think also, not— it's not just— obviously it's about the person whose event it is, but also it's about you. You want your own moment. Why would you wanna do it?

Els 0:12:11 But not just engagement. Let's— I'm talking about anything. I know.

Roro 0:12:16 Yeah, absolutely.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:17 So What is the right—

Els 0:12:19 I dunno. So for example, we're all coming to your house, it's your, your birthday, not your 40th, like 32nd birthday, and every— all the family are there, and then I announce I'm pregnant.

Roro 0:12:30 Oh no, that would be nice. No, I think that's nice. I like that.

Els 0:12:32 But some people I think would—

Roro 0:12:34 Be funny about it.

Els 0:12:36 Oh, okay. 'Cause then every— but then it isn't, 'cause then you're over it. But people then talk about it. It's just a start.

Roro 0:12:40 If it was like a mate that's there, I'm— I'd be like, Do it in your own time.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:44 I don't know how I would feel about any of that. I think I'd just be a bit like, oh, okay. I don't think it would faze me at all. I think wedding, I think it's a big day.

Roro 0:12:53 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:53 As the listeners will know, if you've caught up, you know, me and Auntie Lynne did a wedding special on Thursday. But yeah, I think a wedding is a very special day and people should not overshadow that.

Roro 0:13:05 Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:06 Yeah.

Roro 0:13:06 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:07 I have to say.

Roro 0:13:08 'Cause also, It's like, I've paid all this money to do this.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:12 And you're fucking reaping the benefits.

Els 0:13:13 And then you're proposed to, you're getting an engagement party.

Roro 0:13:15 You're gonna stand in front of the flower arrangement doing photos.

Els 0:13:19 Yeah, no, it's not cool.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:21 Cracking idea, really. Save a lot of money. But even like—

Els 0:13:24 You did it the day after and then you all went back. Yeah, no. We just went back.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:27 But yeah, no, everyone was having breakfast. Again, very chilled wedding.

Roro 0:13:30 But what, did you go back being like, I'm engaged?

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:33 Um, I think so.

Els 0:13:35 I bet they went off fucking, of course she would do that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:40 It was quite chill, quite nice.

Els 0:13:43 When it marks 30th birthday.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:44 Then it was Mark's 30th.

Roro 0:13:45 Yes.

Els 0:13:46 So you really stole a lot.

Roro 0:13:47 No, but that's another thing. So on momentous— is that right? Cracking days. So like Christmas Eve.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:56 Yeah.

Roro 0:13:57 Birthdays.

Els 0:13:58 But that was Mark's birthday. It wasn't Natalie's birthday.

Roro 0:14:01 No, I know, but I'm still saying it's now his birthday is the day they got engaged.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:05 We don't ever celebrate that.

Roro 0:14:06 No, I know, but I'm saying if you was to split up, Yeah, that's a bit shit, isn't it?

Els 0:14:10 No, because they wouldn't be engaged and they wouldn't be celebrating any birthday.

Roro 0:14:14 So, no, I know, but I'm saying when you do it on like a—

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:18 do you feel like it's tarnished a little?

Roro 0:14:19 Just think about it, guys. Just think about dates.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:21 Very, very interesting. Now I'm interested to see what people think of the other things.

Roro 0:14:29 There's gonna be loads, isn't it? It was even like a film that I watched.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:34 Yeah.

Roro 0:14:34 Um, where the sister has a baby and then he proposes. They go to visit the baby and he proposes. I'm like, fuck you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:41 Why would you do that?

Roro 0:14:42 And even, yeah, I don't know. But I get, and also I think it just depends, isn't it, who it is. Why is it so warm in here?

Els 0:14:50 And this morning I went out in a jumper and leggings and when I got home I had to get changed into shorts and a t-shirt.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:56 Sorry, we've got a fantastic, I'm gonna go through to this. Do you remember we were talking last week about People, you know, things in your teeth, bits like that. Have a listen to this about leggings.

Speaker H 0:15:09 I've just listened to you and the nieces on the way to work, and a couple of points. On the point of telling people if they've got a label hanging out or whatever, what about see-through leggings? How many times have you seen people wearing see-through leggings and thought, have they not done a check in front of the mirror before they've left the house?

Speaker H 0:15:27 Because I always do. What was the other thing? Names. When, um, Elia got confused with who she was talking to, have you ever had anyone call you the wrong name? Because I have, and I've got 2 reactions to it.

Speaker H 0:15:39 One, I don't answer them because they're not talking to me, they're calling me by the wrong name. And 2, I'll just answer and, uh, they might think I'm called Michelle when it's Marie. And then the social media ban. My 14-year-old came home from school today a bit wound up about that he's gonna be kicked off of social media, and he was saying to the 10-year-old, oh, you're never gonna get to use this, you're never gonna get to use that. And the 10-year-old came out with a perfect response and said, oh well.

Speaker H 0:16:10 Aww. So I was happy with that, because at the moment he doesn't have a phone. He has asked a couple of times, why haven't I got a phone when other people in my class have? But we just say to him, you don't need one at the moment. Why do you need one?

Speaker H 0:16:22 You get picked up, taken everywhere. So I'm going with that for the time being.

Els 0:16:27 Excellent.

Speaker H 0:16:27 As long as we can. Good work. Yeah, loved the episode today. Had me in fits of laughter on the way to work.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:33 Well, thank you, Marie. 3 points to unpick there. Let's go. See-through leggings.

Els 0:16:39 No, I would never tell. I wouldn't. What are you gonna say? Excuse me. Yeah. Excuse me, your leggings are see-through?

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:44 Because you can't change it. It's not like there's a label that you can change.

Els 0:16:48 No, they've chosen, they know they're see-through. I'm sorry. No, they don't.

Roro 0:16:53 Sometimes they stretch. You, you don't realise. I think they do. Sorry, on that, in the documentary, your leggings had a hole in the back. Was that a hole? What was that?

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:05 A hole in the back?

Roro 0:17:07 Sort of where? Positioned where?

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:09 I know exactly where it was.

Roro 0:17:11 Is that a hole?

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:11 No, that's a designer brand.

Roro 0:17:13 Oh. Was that Alo?

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:16 No.

Roro 0:17:17 Oh. I did see it and then I saw it again. At first I thought, oh my gosh, she's got a hole in her tights, uh, leggings. And then I saw it again.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:23 What was the—

Roro 0:17:25 Lululemon.

Els 0:17:25 Yeah, Lululemon. Perfect.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:29 Yeah.

Els 0:17:29 Anyway, yeah, no, I don't think you can tell.

Roro 0:17:32 No, it's tricky, innit?

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:35 Anyway, second point. Are you taking the piss, Marie? Have I been called another name? Every day of my life I get called Sonia. Every single day.

Roro 0:17:46 There's a reason for that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:47 Well, there is, but I got called Marta.

Roro 0:17:49 You did? Today?

Els 0:17:51 Marta.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:52 Marta.

Roro 0:17:52 Hello, Marta.

Els 0:17:53 From someone, from an Italian person. So you'd think Maria would be quite, you know, easy.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:58 Well, from what I know, I think Maria is actually on the booking as someone. No?

Roro 0:18:02 Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:03 Yes.

Roro 0:18:03 And I say, thank you. Grazie, Maria.

Els 0:18:06 What about the other day?

Roro 0:18:08 She rang me, she said, nah, what a dickhead.

Els 0:18:11 Go on. She went, hi, Elle, you all right? Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, um, I'm just getting a bit stressed out. I've not heard back from Roberto. I said, sorry, what? You fucking knob.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:29 Roberto? I wish I could roll my tongue.

Roro 0:18:33 Mel's gonna love that.

Els 0:18:35 I was like, and I literally was like, are you okay? She was cracking up. I said, no, you don't. You can't do that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:41 I know, but Roberta. I know, but you're just—

Els 0:18:42 but just Can you just say Roberta? Mum said today, what's his name? I didn't go Roberto.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:48 I know, but he's in Tuscany. I kind of get it. No, I'm gonna stick up for you for a change.

Els 0:18:53 No, you don't talk to me like that. Just say Roberto.

Roro 0:18:55 No, I do talk to you like that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:57 Roberta, we don't say Roberta. If I were to say to you, oh, I'd probably say Roberto. Roberto. Even just Roberto.

Els 0:19:07 She went Roberto.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:12 Oh, that was mad.

Roro 0:19:14 No, you don't.

Els 0:19:15 You don't.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:16 Oh, not you, Roberto. Yeah, but you don't. You can't anyway. That gets mad. I get something different all the time in my life. So yeah, me too. Cheers to that. That's a cracker. And what was the last one?

Roro 0:19:28 The social media. Yeah, phone.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:31 So the ban is in. Um, obviously it's going to be not till next year.

Els 0:19:36 Has Toni mentioned it or does she not know?

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:38 No, she does know. I just, not fussed whatsoever.

Els 0:19:42 But how mad that our children, I mean, Joanie might—

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:46 No.

Els 0:19:48 No, no, no. I'm just saying, I, I don't—

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:50 She might feel the effect and there'll be people that have it.

Els 0:19:53 Correct. Whereas I think Alfie, I mean, James, definitely. I think it will just not be a—

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:58 I heard a very, very interesting thing the other day on the radio and I thought it was perfect. So in the 19— She's gonna start crying. No, I, I was passionate. I'm very passionate about this subject. Very, very passionate, but it made a lot of sense. So what we're trying to do is we're creating a whole social change. It's not just about banning a phone that people are used to that. In the 1960s, they introduced seatbelt wearing. Yeah. And maybe 20% of people wore a seatbelt, then 30%. Yeah. And it wasn't really—

Els 0:20:29 It's like the smoking ban.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:30 Exactly.

Els 0:20:31 People gave up, some people didn't. Naturally, that's now Exactly.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:35 But it's about a complete social change.

Roro 0:20:37 Yeah, but we were talking about it yesterday with some old, like, our generation, and we were saying about Facebook when it started, what we did, what it was about. Now, no, we don't do that. We don't post our lives on Facebook. That's what we used to do all the time, post everything. I used to put albums up of these, celebrate the— now we don't do that. It has changed. Yeah, it does change.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:01 But what you find is the younger people that are on their Snapchat, that's like their Facebook. They're posting everything, what they're doing. They get in the car on the way to school, they're taking selfies of each other to put on there.

Els 0:21:12 What also I find mad with Snapchat is your friends. Yes. And that could be quite a wide group. We're not talking best friends. People you're friends with can see where you are at all times.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:21 That's mad.

Els 0:21:22 I'm sorry, but I find— I don't want anyone, I don't want you to, you know.

Roro 0:21:26 That's why I don't like putting my number plate. No, but it's true.

Els 0:21:28 I'm saying it's true. No, that's a bit different.

Roro 0:21:31 It's not.

Els 0:21:32 Well, no, it's irrelevant because I know your number plate. So if I drive past you—

Roro 0:21:35 That's you, but I'm saying other people. No, I know you do. There's loads of personal number plates. You're talking to the wrong person.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:40 She knows everyone's number plate. I don't like being bothered.

Els 0:21:43 I know mine, it's your name, but I know.

Roro 0:21:45 But it's people you see all the time. I get that. But I'm saying there's people that know of, and you can just tell who that is because their personal number plate. Fuck, do I want that for? No.

Els 0:21:55 Yeah, I mean, but for me, I just find it mental that you can be anywhere and all your friends can see exactly where you are at any given time.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:01 I'm gonna cancel the Natcast 13 number plate. plate that I've just ordered.

Els 0:22:04 I know.

Roro 0:22:05 Someone, we did, you did have one.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:07 I did have one.

Els 0:22:08 Yeah, I had one. You got it for me. I did. It's fucked. I dunno where it's gone.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:12 Shame, innit?

Els 0:22:12 I've got it in the garage, but I think it's gone. Yeah, you have to register it.

Roro 0:22:17 Stick it on the wall or something.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:18 Yeah, that's true. You can pop it in the garage.

Els 0:22:19 It is in the garage. Next to the dartboard.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:21 That looks good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:12 I heard someone from Oz talking to Nick Ferrari the other morning. He said it hasn't worked.

Roro 0:25:20 Yeah, the stats are not good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:21 They're not good, but it's not— You have to start somewhere. You have to start somewhere. And it's not about your 14 and 15-year-olds, it's about the Joni, it's about the 9 and 10-year-olds. It's about that age that aren't going to be bringing themselves up within that world.

Els 0:25:37 Yeah, agreed. Because it just won't be a thing.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:39 The other ones are lost calls, unfortunately. They're in it, they're in it. It's hard.

Roro 0:25:42 You're not gonna wean them off.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:44 It's gonna be really hard to do that. Yeah. And hopefully maybe some parents will be like, you can't do it anymore, it's illegal. But they will find a way round. Not all of them.

Els 0:25:52 I also, I also had a bit of a thought, you know, like this, the generation has gone from sort of us, like where we'd be out, you'd be partying, you'd maybe be drinking, to now everyone just wants to go to the gym. Is that a look thing to have the latest gym wear to post it on Snapchat? Yeah, of course. It's all, it's all a look. Which is crazy. It is. Which is actually sad because then, You know, I'm not saying, I'm not condoning underage drinking or, but just go and have fun with your friends.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:20 But it's all now about image. Image and what you're doing. Yeah. Where you are. It's, they're going to the right coffee shop. Yeah.

Els 0:26:27 Yeah, getting their matcha. They're getting their matcha.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:29 Forget the underage drinking, but just—

Els 0:26:31 It's just about having fun.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:32 Just walking around the streets and having a laugh.

Els 0:26:34 Like, we had phones, but I remember being at my friend's We would play. We still played.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:41 Yes.

Els 0:26:41 We made games up. We got the tents up in the garden and had sleepovers in the tent. We were with the family making dinner.

Roro 0:26:49 Like, I was— yeah, I mean, I played with dolls and Barbies. I was older because of you. And at friends, when you were the sister, we'd play.

Els 0:26:58 Yeah, like we— and we played with the older sis. Like, we'd all get, you know, we'd do stupid games in the bedroom. Do you remember we'd put the light out and someone would be blindfolded? Yeah, like But we played. What time?

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:09 What time? What time was that? Um, what sort of age were you then?

Els 0:27:13 I would say I was in secondary school. I was— well, I was only friends with her from secondary. I would say— how old are you when you start secondary?

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:20 11.

Roro 0:27:20 Uh, I'd have been about 14, 15.

Natalie Cassidy 0:27:25 Yeah, you would have been about 12, 13.

Els 0:27:27 Yeah, yeah, 12, 13. Yeah, well, and longer.

Roro 0:27:31 No, I'm older, much older than you.

Els 0:27:33 Yeah, you weren't. I wasn't that young.

Roro 0:27:35 I was even older then. Yeah, I was like 22.

Els 0:27:39 I would have been, I would have been between 11 and 14. Yeah, but you laugh. I was playing Barbies at 12. People would be like, what? But we loved it. Yeah, but that's lovely. We used to wrap the presents up in tissue. We'd make Christmas Day. It was unbelievable. Yeah.

Roro 0:27:56 And we'd be like making dances to Spice Girls and Steps. And yeah, now they're fucking at Joe and the Juice. I know. Also, can I just say, how are they at Joe and the Juice and afford it? Yeah, yeah, I went there the other day, £11 on a fucking smoothie that I then tasted, and I think it had matcha in, and I wanted to lob it so far across the road. I was devastated. I thought, I've got to drink it. £11.

Els 0:28:22 That is a—

Roro 0:28:22 So how, how, so how are they affording this lifestyle? Yeah, no, I know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:26 It's, it's crazy stuff.

Roro 0:28:27 Folding about in aloe and— It's wild.

Els 0:28:31 I'm wearing Charlotte Tilbury makeup and the, the skincare, as we know, wild.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:36 We've got a couple of messages actually.

Roro 0:28:39 My lips are well dry.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:40 Oh, stop. We had a message from John. Hello, John.

Roro 0:28:45 Love it when there's a little geezer on the board.

Els 0:28:47 We had a bird last week. We got a bird and a geezer.

Natalie Cassidy 0:28:51 Pissing myself at dry, flaky lips. How fucking flaky do your lips need to be to look like puff pastry? From John.

Els 0:29:00 John. Talking of lips, Bobby Norris from Towie.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:04 What are you talking about, babe?

Roro 0:29:06 From Towie, the guy we know from where we live. I'm talking about—

Els 0:29:09 Oh, sorry, the listeners, they don't know who I'm referring to. Yeah, he put up a thing that he was using this lip balm and it was, it's quite a big, like quite large. And he was like, I'm obsessed with it. I love it. I've had 2 this year. They last quite a long time. But, you know, it's so nice. And then he's recently learned that it's not for those lips.

Roro 0:29:28 That's for the vaginal lips.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:30 Oh, it's not for his lips.

Els 0:29:33 He went, so I'm on the train whipping it out and there's probably people looking at me putting it on my lips.

Roro 0:29:39 What is it called?

Els 0:29:40 What do you mean, what's it called? Do you want some?

Roro 0:29:44 Does it work?

Els 0:29:46 I don't know, I'll take it. Well, I don't think he knows, 'cause he's, well, he likes it on his lips, so yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:50 Well, I'm sure it must be quite a lubricating, um, product.

Roro 0:29:54 Well, it's like, um, what's it called?

Els 0:29:55 The purple tube.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:58 Nipple cream.

Els 0:29:59 Lovely for the old lips.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:00 Fantastic for the lips.

Els 0:30:01 And I mean, these lips.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:01 I put that on every morning. It's downstairs in the kitchen cupboard. On it goes. Still? Don't know, sir.

Els 0:30:07 It's expensive though, isn't it? Works though.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:09 Works a treat.

Els 0:30:10 Yeah, it made me laugh.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:11 Talking of skincare.

Roro 0:30:13 Just listening to Nat's niece's episode.

Roro 0:30:16 And I was straight away, the whole cosmetic thing just I've got a 13-year-old who became very obsessed very early. Yes, probably my fault because she had TikTok, which, yes, I know, I'm one of them bad mums that's allowed her daughter to have TikTok too young. Biggest regret of my life, if I'm honest. Um, but with regards to cosmetics, I feel like they all use packaging that draws in young children. Yeah.

Roro 0:30:51 And I took my daughter into Boots. Sorry, it's going to be a long one, that. I took my daughter into Boots and I made her speak to the lady on the Drunk Elephant concession because she was not listening to me. I was saying, you don't need this on your skin. Right.

Roro 0:31:10 And I spoke to the lady and she had a little chat with my daughter and said, look, this is not for children. And I said to her, but your packaging, like an elephant on it, looks childish, childlike, the colours, the bright colours. Yeah. And she was like, she sort of explained the branding to me, and I said, but you can surely, you can see. And she said, she said, I understand, but there is a reason, there's a whole reason behind the whole Drunk Elephant thing, which I can't remember all about, but she basically was agreeing with me to a point, and she said obviously social media and stuff like that is not helping them because they're not— they're not supposed to be aimed at kids.

Roro 0:31:54 Mm. Um, yeah, so it is that bubble, bubble, whatever that is, and there's loads of like cosmetic stuff that's just clearly trying to get the attention of younger people who don't need it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:32:11 I mean, it was cracking to hear you, but it sounds like you've got a lot on. What's going on in the background? It sounds like there's a lot on. No. But you're right, it's— and don't feel— I know how you feel 'cause you sighed when you said TikTok, and we all make mistakes. And it's really hard when there are friendship groups and people have got things. It's really, really difficult. So please don't beat yourself up.

Els 0:32:30 Peer pressure is— And I think the branding side of things, there are so many You know, you could say that at some points Gucci's branding, you know, they change the colours, it looks beautiful. But unfortunately, it's social media that's pushing those sorts of products because they're probably not seeing Gucci. No, you know, they're seeing these brands that then are pushing them towards it. They are.

Roro 0:32:53 But she's right. It is the branding, it is the packaging.

Els 0:32:57 It's— it lures you into— I don't know the branding.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:01 I'm telling you now. I know what you're saying.

Roro 0:33:03 No, it is 100%.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:04 I know what you're saying.

Roro 0:33:05 There could be average packaged products. If it's packaged and branded, yeah, that's cool.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:09 But what I'm saying is it's the children, it's the teenage influencers on YouTube, TikTok, that are 12 and 13.

Roro 0:33:16 But what they're all doing is the unboxing and the packaging. But that's not relevant.

Els 0:33:21 Charlotte Tilbury isn't childlike. No, but that's why I'm saying it.

Roro 0:33:24 No, but the brands know what they're doing. They change. Of course they do. It's every— it's all about any brand. When you go to Selfridges and buy Saint Design, it comes in the box and you open it, it's all of that. It's a whole experience.

Els 0:33:35 No, I know, but children wouldn't know about that. It's because of TikTok. It's because of social media.

Roro 0:33:42 Absolutely. And the brands are leaning into that even more. Of course. But even before you say that, even before social media, I remember ordering something off of a designer thing and the way it came and I was like hooked. I couldn't believe it. I was like, oh my God, a box. I opened the box, it was in a dust bag. I was like, this is beautiful. It's all—

Els 0:34:00 I don't really get what you're trying— I don't really get the point.

Roro 0:34:02 And what she's saying, like the branding, it lures people in as well. Of course it does. It looks like anything.

Els 0:34:07 Yeah.

Roro 0:34:08 Yeah, that's it.

Els 0:34:09 But young or not, it's what they see. Like I'm saying about Charlotte Tilbury, that does not appeal to a young, in my opinion. No, they might not.

Roro 0:34:15 They might not. But there's a lot of brands that now know what to do in regards to branding.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:20 There is a tween audience.

Roro 0:34:22 Yeah. Huge. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:24 But I think it's more about, for instance, the brands giving freebies to under-16-year-olds to promote, promote it.

Roro 0:34:33 So it's very interesting about that because I was thinking, what are they going to do with the band then?

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:40 Well, interestingly, the guy from Oz that I told you about who was on the radio, he said there has been a case of a young girl, 12 or 13, whose mum and dad have gone absolutely mad. Said she's got brand deals, she's got this, she's earning a living, she's earning, she's earning for all of us. It's major. And they've moved to New Zealand.

Roro 0:35:01 Wow. But that's, again, that's—

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:02 but I'm just saying. Yeah, but that's not—

Els 0:35:04 to me, that's madness. Oh yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:06 But I'm just—

Els 0:35:07 and you're relying on your 13-year-old to—

Roro 0:35:09 exactly. Nah, sorry.

Els 0:35:11 Not, not right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:12 No.

Roro 0:35:12 But these companies are gonna have— they're gonna have issues on their hands as well. Mm-hmm. Because all these influencers, they won't be able to gift them to under 16-year-olds.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:19 Well, they shouldn't be anyway. So no, no. Again, that's another law that should be in place, in my opinion.

Roro 0:35:25 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:25 No cleansers, no, no skin beauty products until you're over 16. No nothing.

Roro 0:35:32 No influencers.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:32 You don't need, but you don't need skin products. You don't need cleansers, toners. We didn't do that.

Roro 0:35:39 No, no, no, no, no.

Els 0:35:41 I find it that, yeah, that for me blows my mind.

Roro 0:35:43 Me and Ellie are up for any beauty. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:45 We'll have a couple of boxes.

Roro 0:35:50 We'll unbox some bits. Well, I don't mind. Just anything. For the anti-aging. Oh dear.

Els 0:35:55 Changing the subject just quickly, while it's in my head, I was looking at some comments on Spotify and someone said, oh, LBC stands for— did you not know what that was?

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:08 Leading Britain's Conversation.

Els 0:36:10 What, you didn't know that?

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:11 No, but I didn't know that for a while. We had— me and Mark had this conversation.

Els 0:36:15 Well, I— that's what I heard. I cannot— I mean, it tells you, it says it on there 4 times in an hour.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:21 It never clicked with me.

Els 0:36:23 That's crazy.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:25 Yeah.

Els 0:36:26 Sorry, I just had to bring that up because I can't believe how much you listen to it.

Roro 0:36:30 There's loads of things like that though, isn't there, that you wouldn't know? No, but she listens to it every day.

Els 0:36:34 Yeah. So you'd think by now—

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:36 I thought it was something like London Broadcast. I don't know. I just thought— Centre. Yeah, leading Britain's conversation. And I was like, oh.

Els 0:36:44 But it just, it literally says it, leading Britain's conversation.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:47 That's sort of a tagline rather than the title of it. Blew my mind, actually. Um, remember last week we were having a little chat about the Max Branning and, um, we were talking about Kitty?

Roro 0:37:00 Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:01 And we talked about Jack Branning and Penny. We've got the story sorted, guys.

Speaker J 0:37:06 Morning, Nat.

Els 0:37:08 Morning, Nat's nieces. Emma from Knebworth, just listening to your, um, episode from today and listening to the bit about Penny and Kitty. Yeah, Kitty Penny. was, um, run over by someone, um, some drug dealer that Jack Brannan had, uh, dealt with, I think. Can't remember exactly, but yeah, she did get run over. So it might have been funny, but it was true. Just thought I'd let you know. All right, ciao.

Roro 0:37:36 Thanks, love.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:37 And moving on from that, I've got an absolute crack— sorry, I've got a cracker. Because again, you know, you think, isn't it brilliant? The listeners just make up the pod. It is fantastic. So I got that. And then I got this.

Els 0:37:50 Hi, it's Rebecca from Nottingham, just listening to the pod with Nat's nieces, um, and it makes me giggle. Every time I listen to the Nat's nieces ones, I always think that Maria sounds like Penny out of EastEnders. And when I visualise you all sitting there, I visualise the actress that plays Penny sitting with you and her being one of your nieces. I don't know why, but I just can't get it out of my head.

Speaker K 0:38:16 That is funny.

Els 0:38:17 Maybe I need to watch a few, um, pods. To, uh, be able to visualise you all a bit better. Keep doing what you're doing. Love listening to you all.

Speaker K 0:38:28 Thanks, guys.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:29 I love that. That's a little bit better. I got that, then I got that. That's really funny.

Roro 0:38:33 Kitty, you— I wish she was my sister, to be fair. Yeah, no, I do. That's a massive goal. Sorry. Fucking wow.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:39 She didn't say replace, she said another one. Another one.

Roro 0:38:42 I love you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:44 Um, but I'd be very happy to have Kitty as a niece as well. So there you go.

Els 0:38:47 Okay, well, I'll just—

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:49 An extra one. No, I love you.

Roro 0:38:52 I'll take that as a massive compliment. Thank you.

Els 0:38:54 Yeah, but yeah, I feel like I'm gonna watch EastEnders now and really have to listen. Yeah, because I can't, I can't find the voice.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:00 I just talk to Kitty, you know, but now I'm gonna have to watch and hone in.

Roro 0:39:03 Oh no, Kitty's got a much nicer voice than me.

Els 0:39:06 Just get a voice note from her.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:08 That's true.

Roro 0:39:08 I thought that was gonna be her actually. Kitty, could you voice note him please?

Els 0:39:11 Yeah, it's true.

Roro 0:39:12 Very good, very good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:14 Yeah, I loved it. The other thing that we need to address, unfortunately, I've had a few messages. I do get things wrong. I got it wrong that David Attenborough's wife was sat next to him. It was his daughter. And I've also got wrong that you can vote when you're 16. It's actually 18.

Roro 0:39:28 You mugged it. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:28 I genuinely thought it was 18 down to 16. Sorry.

Els 0:39:32 You can buy a lottery ticket at 16.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:34 Yes.

Roro 0:39:34 You can register to vote at 16.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:37 You can have sex at 16.

Roro 0:39:39 All right. You keep saying it. All the best.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:40 What else?

Roro 0:39:41 Smoke.

Els 0:39:44 Yeah. Oh yeah. You can buy, or has it changed now?

Roro 0:39:47 I don't know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:48 Can you have a fag at 16 but not a drink? That's weird. Yeah, you can.

Roro 0:39:52 I think you— I don't know, I just threw that out there.

Els 0:39:54 No, I'm sure you can buy cigarettes at 16.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:57 Oh, that's—

Els 0:39:57 And scratch cards.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:59 Yeah, that's mad. Oh yeah, 'cause lottery.

Roro 0:40:00 So you can gamble then at 16?

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:02 So you can gamble but you can't vote?

Roro 0:40:05 Nah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:06 Mad, isn't it?

Roro 0:40:07 But I don't, I don't think you should.

Els 0:40:08 Oh, sorry, 18. I, I do. Yeah, you're doing it now.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:12 See, it's confusing this world.

Els 0:40:14 Well, you know, they've got a new thing in now that anyone born after Go on. Oh, you didn't know that?

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:20 What is it?

Els 0:40:21 So I think it's anyone born after the 1st of January 2009.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:28 Yep.

Els 0:40:28 Will not be able to buy cigarettes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:30 At all?

Els 0:40:30 Ever.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:31 Oh, that's fantastic.

Els 0:40:32 So if your mate was born on the 28th of December when you're like 70, oh, and your mate at 28, you'll go, get me some fags, because she was born like 3 days before you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:41 As if anyone's gonna listen to that when you're insane old.

Els 0:40:44 Well, you can't say no.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:46 Say no. Say no.

Els 0:40:48 Well, no, they're just trying to make cigarettes—

Roro 0:40:50 cigarettes are making a comeback.

Els 0:40:51 Well, they're not. They're trying to make a smoke-free generation.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:54 No, but I do think they are making a comeback with the older generation. Yeah. Because the older generation are getting off the vapes because they're awful for you.

Els 0:41:01 Well, interestingly, Olivia Atwood put a photo up of her with a cigarette in her hand. She looked very cool, nice outfit, and she got annihilated for it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:10 Oh yeah, it's not great. None of it's good.

Els 0:41:12 I know, but you're not saying that when you're putting a photo up of yourself yourself with a glass of wine.

Roro 0:41:17 Yeah.

Els 0:41:18 Oh, it's absolutely pissing down.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:21 No, it's not, is it? It's pouring. Quick, get the stew on. What are you having now? Lamb stew. Noodles in the bin. Noodles in the bin. It's stew and dumplings. It's raining.

Roro 0:41:32 I'd have some, um, what's it called? Ramen.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:40 Oh, stroph.

Roro 0:41:42 With salmon. I've got some in the freezer if you want it.

Els 0:41:46 But I saved the old plant watering tonight.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:48 Fantastic news. Garden looks fantastic, doesn't it?

Els 0:41:53 Oh, I can't. I feel like I still feel quite overwhelmed. I feel quite emotional.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:56 So do I.

Roro 0:41:57 Look at my fucking garden.

Els 0:41:58 Yeah, but you haven't seen it. I think when you walk in, you'll be like, whoa. You haven't either.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:03 I can't wait. It is. I'm— can't wait.

Els 0:42:05 It's insane. Yeah. And guys, we're talking about a, a a raised bed that has just been filled with plants. But what a spectacular job.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:13 I think you're gonna have to put a little picky up. What's wrong with me?

Roro 0:42:17 What's right with you?

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:18 I think you're gonna have to put a little picky on.

Roro 0:42:20 Yeah. Yes. Okay. The gardener was cheap, weren't he?

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:22 No, he's cracking. What are you trying to say?

Roro 0:42:23 I don't know.

Els 0:42:25 No.

Roro 0:42:26 What, Dad didn't do the plants? No. Dad.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:30 What, all of that bed?

Speaker L 0:42:32 It'd have been there for a week.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:35 She's full, oh bless her. Her little brain this week must have been fuming. Massive bed of hostas.

Els 0:42:41 I was like, Dan's been there last week, now he's been there again.

Roro 0:42:43 I thought, he's done all that, he can't even come around mine and just pull a few weeds out.

Els 0:42:48 Michelle, I know a gardener, a local gardener who, he's, yeah, honestly, he's absolutely surpassed himself. Amazing. Well, can I have his number please?

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:57 He's cracking it.

Els 0:42:59 So when you said, oh, you better get around here, you were talking about Dad, not my gardener.

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:04 Poor Dave, he always gets the front end of the stick. Well, no, it's not the front end.

Roro 0:43:08 I thought that he had done it. Don't assume. Well, she said, I picked that up. We went and bought all the plants. Yeah, but you went and bought the plants. What was the pots?

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:15 That was about 4 pots. Not fucking Gardener's World that she's had done. Monty Don's been over.

Roro 0:43:22 She thinks it always just— That's brilliant.

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:24 Put a few plants in. There's about 120 plants in that bed. Oh, that's brilliant. I bet she's been fuming in the bed. And that's why she's—

Els 0:43:33 that's why she's sent in a topic. Can we discuss, like, not knowing when people are doing things and how, how that makes you feel?

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:40 Oh yeah, what was that about actually? Yeah, what was that about?

Els 0:43:43 Fucking hell.

Roro 0:43:45 Oh, I just wet myself. Um, no, that's not the topic. That wasn't— that's not right.

Els 0:43:50 Don't joke. That's not right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:52 Of course it isn't. She's joking.

Roro 0:43:53 I am. It's so hot. Yeah, it's so hot. And it's not even a hot Outside?

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:58 Um, no, um, Tony's here Friday night and it's 30 degrees. He's going to annihilate me.

Roro 0:44:02 Oh, the best. Got it.

Els 0:47:17 No, I was saying, you know, are you ever in a situation where people are talking about stuff and it's like you feel like you should know it? And it puts you under pressure a little bit.

Roro 0:47:30 I don't know, for me it's more back in the day at work when you're in, like, fashion and people talk about this designer and that one and this has happened and you just sometimes feel like, oh my God, I should know that, I should know that's happening, I should know that shop's just launched, I should know. It's a lot, isn't it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:47:44 I think going back to EastEnders days, because I'm not a television watcher or really a film watcher, I'm just not, I found it when you're sat having a coffee in the green room and they'd be like, oh, I don't know names of actors and what they've been in, and they're gonna be at the theatre, and I'd be like, I shouldn't, I would lose it. Yeah.

Roro 0:48:02 Did you ever feel like, oh God?

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:03 Yeah, 'cause I'd think, oh, I'm in this industry, but I don't really know what's going on.

Roro 0:48:07 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:08 But actually, it don't matter. As long as you can do your job well, fuck 'em.

Els 0:48:11 Yeah, I couldn't give a shit, to be honest.

Roro 0:48:13 No, I don't care now, but I just, yeah, I've, sometimes I do think, oh wow, should I know that?

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:17 No, you shouldn't. It depends. But then again, it is. It depends if it's gonna further your job.

Roro 0:48:23 No, but it's not even that. It's even, I think, the whole social media going back to social media, apologies. But it's even that, there's so much going on there.

Els 0:48:30 Sorry, me actually rubbing big toes. Get your dirty big toe off me.

Roro 0:48:33 Even that, when it's like, oh, did you see that? Or have you seen that happened? Or so-and-so, what about— or on social media. Yeah, see, like, you follow— Well, you didn't see that? You didn't see that happen? You didn't see this? And it's like, well, should I know that? Should I?

Els 0:48:47 No, I mean, so many people say, oh, do you follow that, you know, that girl? Yeah, the influencer. And she's a massive— and I think I could not give a shit that I don't follow her.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:56 I don't know who it is. I have no time for that.

Roro 0:48:59 But as you get older, I think again that for me, I'm like, I'm knowledgeable, I'm smart, I can do my job very well, that none of that fazes me anymore. I'm older now. If I don't know something, I'll say, no, what is it? Look it up. But I think when you're younger, that pressure of feeling like you've gotta know everything about everything.

Els 0:49:20 Oh, I've done it many a time where someone said like, oh, did you know? And I'm like, yeah, I haven't got a clue. I think I'll just go with it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:28 No, see, I would always at work— No, but someone—

Els 0:49:31 a handful of times.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:33 But say someone at work, a director or someone, would use a word I didn't know and everyone would be like, yeah, yeah. And I'd say, I'm really sorry, I don't know what that word means. And people would be like— and I'd say, no, it's a great word. I would like to learn what that means. Not that I can remember any of them, but I did used to ask.

Roro 0:49:48 But I say that now to like my assistants and stuff. I always say to them, ask questions. Yes. Never be afraid. Yeah. Or feel silly. It's not time to be stupid. Or ask questions. If you don't know something, it, it—

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:58 Well, you're not gonna learn otherwise. No, exactly.

Roro 0:50:00 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:01 It's important. Yeah. Knowledge is power. Mm. And it's nice to be able to feel brave enough to say, I don't know what that is. But that's also being interested. Yes.

Els 0:50:09 Because if you're interested in what you do and your job, and you will ask questions 'cause you want to know. Yeah. Whereas the people going, yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't care. They're just thinking, just get the fucking job done. So true. Whereas your interest You're passionate, you care. That's the difference. Very, very different.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:24 When I did the care stuff, I noticed that.

Els 0:50:26 Have you, have you just done a care documentary? Have you just studied?

Roro 0:50:33 Let me get a level 3 distinction.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:36 Bitch. No, but when I was at hospital, when I was in EastEnders in the green room, when I was doing the—

Els 0:50:46 That's it for you.

Roro 0:50:50 Wow.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:51 The heat, it's really hot, guys. The heat, it's terrible. When you did the care documentary— I was just going to say that I remember someone might, whatever it would be, at home—

Roro 0:51:01 No, but that's not your field.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:02 No, but I have always asked questions.

Els 0:51:05 But again, you could tick a box and go, I'm just doing this because it's a job.

Roro 0:51:08 No, I appreciate that. I'm saying when it is in your field.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:11 No, I've always been interested. I've always asked questions, even in conversation in a pub, if someone mentions something that I don't understand, I will say, I don't get it. Yeah. Tell me again.

Els 0:51:22 Yeah.

Roro 0:51:22 Yeah. That's what, that's what I used to say at work all the time. I don't get it. I don't get it. That's what I used to say. I don't get it. But it wasn't even like I didn't get it. It was just, I don't get fucking stupid people as well.

Els 0:51:33 Who was saying something the other day and I said, that sounds really lovely, but I don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about. Sounds like half the time when Kat's talking to me, basically. It's a great story. I'm like, could you just tell me what that word means and then we can carry on?

Roro 0:51:47 It's a great story, but yeah, you've lost me.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:50 It's fantastic. Absolutely brilliant.

Roro 0:51:53 But what got me onto that subject was I did have a meeting today.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:56 Yes.

Roro 0:51:57 And this lady is very articulate, talks a lot of stuff. I don't know half of what she's talking about. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. So now I'm like, I've messaged someone else being like, can you explain that to me tomorrow? Because I fucking ain't got a clue what she's talking about.

Els 0:52:10 Yeah, it's hard.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:11 It's good if you've got someone else there though to help you.

Roro 0:52:14 Oh yeah. But this is it. I will always ask and I'll look there. But sometimes in the moment I'm like, I can't be bothered to, yeah, to get into it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:21 Fair enough. Fair enough. I think we should finish on the bin story.

Roro 0:52:24 Oh. What? To bin or not to bin, that is the question.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:30 Got your new bin, didn't you?

Roro 0:52:31 So when I saw it, you don't know.

Els 0:52:35 You got your new bin?

Roro 0:52:36 Yeah. Yeah. The thing is, I saw it at the corner of my eye on the doorstep and I thought, Someone's only gonna fucking return the bin. Wouldn't that have been a better story?

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:46 Would've been nice.

Els 0:52:47 No. Did you return the other person's bin?

Roro 0:52:49 No, 'cause it got nicked.

Els 0:52:51 Oh yeah. Sorry.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:53 What, the scraped one? I'm so confused.

Els 0:52:58 What do you mean? No, you went over to someone and said, I'm taking that bin.

Roro 0:53:02 Yeah. And now someone's nicked it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:04 No, that was not in the story.

Els 0:53:06 No, we didn't know that. No, no, she got—

Roro 0:53:09 Well, I'm so glad you didn't tell me.

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:10 No, no, your new bin. Yeah. Wait, You stole someone else's bin. Oh, and that went as well. Sorry. Okay. No, I'm with you. I'm with you.

Els 0:53:19 So you've got a bin thief.

Roro 0:53:20 Yes. But so I thought someone's returned the bin. How jokes would that be? And I looked and it was brand spanking new. So it didn't take 3 weeks. It took 2. That's been it. 1, 1 week.

Els 0:53:30 Fair play.

Roro 0:53:31 So I've got me bin back. Well done.

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:33 It's been a, been a hard time, hasn't it?

Roro 0:53:36 It's been a while.

Speaker M 0:53:37 Morning, Nat. Just catching up with a bit more of Nat and Isa's episode from this week, talking about bins and the loss of a bin. Last year we went away a couple of days in the week and came back and our bin wasn't there. So we put it out, um, within our drive on Monday morning. Just— bin men are really good and they'll just take it from within the drive for us.

Natalie Cassidy 0:53:59 They, you know, they kind of know you're away if you've done that.

Speaker M 0:54:02 And so we thought, oh, it'll just be by our lamppost like all the rest of the bins are when they've done.

Speaker M 0:54:10 Well, we got back, we're like, oh, Oh, where's our black bin? There's no black bin anywhere. So I come back down and then I can see that, like, down our drive, and I can see, oh, someone's put the black bin back. Anyway, wasn't our bin. And I'm like fuming.

Speaker M 0:54:26 I'm like, where's our bin? Where's our bin? So, um, I walk around, you know, having a look down the drive, like, from the top of them, seeing where our bin is. Then I see out as clear as day because it's got the numbers on. And, um, so I'll go and swap the bins.

Speaker M 0:54:42 Then I'm fuming because I open up our bin. As it means the other one was obviously empty because we had not put anything in. And open up this bin when I've got it on my drive, full of rubbish that smelled like cannabis. I was so annoyed at myself, so annoyed that I hadn't like just gone and knocked and said, oh, I think you've got our bin, just took it. And like, I was, you know, when you're just just annoyed.

Speaker M 0:55:03 You're like, why have you got my bin? I was just like, this is ridiculous. I think I was tired because we've been out with the kids. Um, so yeah, that's my story about bins. And needless to say, actually, we've just had a new bin this year, um, because they're changing the food waste thing, so we can't put it in our big brown bin anymore with the garden waste.

Speaker M 0:55:20 We've now got a small brown bin.

Els 0:55:22 You've switched it.

Speaker M 0:55:22 I've always done food waste, but this year I have put numbers all over every single side on the top, so you cannot mistake which house that belongs to, because I know that will be taken at some point.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:35 Well, I have to say, that was a great bin story. And what I would like to do, maybe every kind of, I don't know, on a penultimate basis, every couple of weeks, could everyone send in their bin stories? I thoroughly enjoy them.

Roro 0:55:46 Ironic really, isn't it? A penultimate?

Els 0:55:49 What do you mean by that? Sorry.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:50 Oh no, I mean by penultimate means second to last. I mean every second week.

Roro 0:55:57 Honestly, I bought you out.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:59 Thank you. My brain is frazzled. Picked you up on that. Bimonthly, or maybe every fortnight.

Els 0:56:04 Well, it's just whenever the fuck you want.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:05 You know what, I might do a whole fucking Patreon episode on bins. What about that?

Roro 0:56:10 Just doing this now.

Els 0:56:12 Um, regarding just a quick one, because I was driving, why do women take sunglasses so seriously but men don't?

Roro 0:56:23 I dunno what that means.

Els 0:56:24 Okay. I, I've never seen Mark wear a pair of sunglasses on a normal day if he's just popping to the garden centre on a Saturday and the sun's shining.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:32 Never.

Els 0:56:33 I've never seen my dad wear a pair of sunglasses in my life.

Roro 0:56:36 They don't suit him, the poor bloke.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:37 No, it's not about that. It's about shading your eyes from the sun.

Roro 0:56:40 He— That's not Jack looking good.

Els 0:56:42 Jack will only wear sun— no, it's not. Jack won't wear sunglasses all week, but if we pop out on a Saturday, for lunch and it's sunny, he'll put them on.

Roro 0:56:50 'Cause it's image, image.

Els 0:56:52 Okay, but I put them on when, no matter what I look like, if the sun is shining, if I leave the house and I don't have my sunglasses, I'm filled with rage. Yeah, right.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:03 I'll put mine on. I'll pop mine on.

Els 0:57:04 But why is that? Because we, we're all in the same situation with the sun.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:09 Maybe, maybe it's, um, more of a who we know, close proximity thing. Rather than all of the men. No, no. Let's find out.

Els 0:57:18 I'm not saying it's all of the men, but I guarantee you, if you go out, you will see more women wearing sunglasses than men.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:25 Because it's something they like to buy. Again, it's a designer thing, isn't it?

Els 0:57:28 Not necessarily.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:29 Well, it is. It's just a fashion— it's a fashion thing. But they like handbags.

Els 0:57:32 Yeah, but even— no, but this is a necessity when the sun is shining. How are you driving? How are you driving with the sun beaming in? In your eyes.

Roro 0:57:41 You put your finger down.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:43 Yeah.

Els 0:57:43 I still think you need it. It hurts your eyes even when it's bright sometimes. I'm like, I just need my sunglasses on.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:49 Davinia would tell you not to put sunglasses on and that you, you should have sun in your eyes. It's good for you. Yeah. The vitamin D. We all cover 'em up.

Els 0:57:58 No, I, I appreciate that. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:00 It's very good for you. Good for the brain.

Roro 0:58:02 I think it's a bit of a fashion statement, the wrinkles.

Els 0:58:05 I, I can, I can tell you now, I do not put them on. Maybe when I'm going out or if I've got— I'm at a wedding.

Roro 0:58:12 I don't want to cover my fucking face on the school run. Thank you. It's raining, it's December, they're on, mate. Right. Well, I don't know.

Els 0:58:19 I don't do that. I do that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:20 I do that because of, um, because I don't take my makeup off.

Els 0:58:23 Oh, because of who you are and you just wanna cover yourself up? No, no.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:26 Because I have my eyes all pandery. I've jumped outta bed. I'm like, oh, gotta do the school run. I have to put 'em on.

Els 0:58:30 But if it's not a summer's day, I'm not putting 'em on. Maybe if it's bright. Yeah. But I'm talking, they are essential to me.

Roro 0:58:37 Even in the winter? If it's sunny, they're on. Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:40 Oh, the winter sun is the worst. Yeah, winter sun is so low. Go low, go low, everybody go low.

Els 0:58:46 I'm just saying, it is like, I've never seen Dad, that blows my mind, but I have seen my dad before. Yeah. I've never seen Dad in glasses. In glasses. Sunglasses. Why not?

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:55 I've seen Tony in a pair of glasses, sunglasses.

Roro 0:58:58 Have you?

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:58 Yes. And Mark will wear them again, like maybe more of an, if you were going to a wedding and it was hot, Maybe, but also I feel like he wears his sunglasses perhaps Wimbledon week because it's scorching. I wonder if he's got them on this week for us, Scott.

Els 0:59:13 I'm not sure. I don't, I've never seen, yeah. Dom wears them.

Roro 0:59:17 Dom does, Dom does.

Els 0:59:18 He's the only, I don't know anyone else.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:21 I think, I think people do. They do.

Els 0:59:25 No. Okay, tell me, does your partner, does your dad, does your granddad wear sunglasses?

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:29 07788 201919. We want bin chat. We want glasses chat. We want your stories on cosmetics. And we want to talk about also, which we haven't brought up, and I'm gonna leave it. We're not gonna discuss it. This is gonna be impossible for these 2 'cause they have to carry on. We're not carrying on. Brooklyn Beckham has put a post out regarding not going to the World Cup and how awkward it is. What's going on there?

Els 0:59:54 It's not a post, it's an advert.

Roro 0:59:55 What do you mean? What's going— we all fucking know what's going on there.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:00 07788 201919. You can have your family little bits and pieces. I know you're all talking about it.

Roro 1:00:06 You're talking about it and we can't.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:07 I'm just— You can have your family bits and pieces. We haven't spoken about the World Cup.

Roro 1:00:11 Oh, Japan. I was so proud of Japan.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:13 Well, we are talking about the World Cup. Go on, Japan. Whoa, whoa.

Els 1:00:15 What's your team done?

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:16 I haven't seen Germany.

Roro 1:00:17 Oh my God.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:18 I haven't seen a game.

Roro 1:00:19 No, it's a joke. Tell me. No, no. No, do you know what? Fuck you. Yeah, we're gonna have Germany 'cause that's a piss take.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:26 No, it's actually my name. What did Germany do, please?

Roro 1:00:30 100 and 101? What was it in the end?

Els 1:00:33 Sunday, wasn't it? Yeah, what was it in the end? 7-1? 6-7? No.

Roro 1:00:37 6-7.

Els 1:00:40 That's disgusting.

Roro 1:00:41 That's really, that's really poor. I watched— Did you see something?

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:45 I saw something on social media. Not that. In America, in America, and it was 6 past 7 or something, and there was all these people—

Roro 1:00:54 You're doing it. For Alfie's birthday.

Els 1:00:59 Anyway, forget that. You're a disgrace. It was on on Sunday. You could have had it on. They won 7-1.

Roro 1:01:04 Yeah, 7-1.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:05 Yeah, fantastic.

Roro 1:01:06 Sorry, is that bad? Alfie's going 6-7.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:09 It's terrible.

Els 1:01:11 Oh, that's on the invites.

Roro 1:01:12 All the best. Invite?

Els 1:01:14 That's his party.

Roro 1:01:15 He's going 6-7. No, it's not his party. It's not a 6-7 party, but he likes it.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:20 No, he likes it. And this is where—

Els 1:01:22 well, he is So I kind of, I understand it a little.

Roro 1:01:27 What do you mean?

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:28 No, I mean, it's the perfect age. Maria's the perfect age.

Els 1:01:30 It's like a gaming bus. I said, I assume I'm not invited and you're just shoving me. Alfie's 6. I know.

Roro 1:01:38 Do you know what? I am judging myself in every aspect.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:41 But you're doing what he wants to do. He wants to do it. Like other mums have said tonight, TikTok. No, but— I've had a message earlier, I can't find it. A lady said she's really proud wrapping of her son up her daughter's birthday present. She's 13, 'cause she wants a Shein haul to do so she can haul it, 'cause it makes them happy. Just saying. No, I know, I know.

Roro 1:02:00 But that's, it's not harmful what they do. The gaming bus isn't harmful.

Natalie Cassidy 1:02:03 No, no, it's not harmful. It's just a few games. Yeah. But neither is a haul. I'm just saying that.

Roro 1:02:08 Where's the haul going? What do you mean?

Natalie Cassidy 1:02:09 Well, I dunno if she'll put it on her TikTok or something. Oh, there we go.

Roro 1:02:12 No. Yeah. Anywho, Japan.

Natalie Cassidy 1:02:14 Yes.

Roro 1:02:15 How did you watch it?

Els 1:02:16 Yeah.

Roro 1:02:16 Wasn't it brilliant?

Els 1:02:17 Can I ask what time it was on?

Natalie Cassidy 1:02:18 I thought all the games were very late.

Els 1:02:20 They're on at 6, 9, 11.

Natalie Cassidy 1:02:22 Oh, there's some 6s.

Els 1:02:23 And then there's 2 and 3. Jack's got up really early the other day and got the tail end of Australia, Turkey maybe. Scotland did well, didn't they? Yeah, they did well.

Natalie Cassidy 1:02:32 Scotland did well.

Els 1:02:33 But, um, no fucking way.

Roro 1:02:36 But, um, Japan against the Dutch.

Els 1:02:38 Keep going on about it.

Roro 1:02:39 Oh, because I was got really, I got really into it. I don't know And your team. I got really into it.

Els 1:02:44 I dunno what you expect. They're good. They're a good team.

Roro 1:02:46 Okay. Well, you follow Japan, you know, do you?

Els 1:02:49 No, I've been, I've heard they're a good team.

Roro 1:02:51 Oh, it was very exciting. Exciting. And we're very invested.

Els 1:02:53 Like Cape Verde and Spain. Did you watch yesterday? They drew. Nil-nil. Cape Verde couldn't believe it. Who was it against today? Who was it against today?

Roro 1:03:00 When the guy come on and—

Els 1:03:02 Cape Verde and Spain. Oh, that was one of them.

Roro 1:03:05 Oh, that was yesterday. Yeah. Anyway, you need to watch it and get involved.

Natalie Cassidy 1:03:08 Yeah, absolutely. Lovely. Uh, that was good. Thank you very much. That was good. That was good. Thank you. Lovely stuff. Thank you. Lovely stuff. Jubilee. Sign up to the Patreon, have a little look at the live shows, send us a WhatsApp.

Roro 1:03:20 How do you sign up?

Natalie Cassidy 1:03:21 Sorry. www.patreon.com/lifewithnatpod.

Els 1:03:31 Lovely.

Natalie Cassidy 1:03:32 Um, so do that and come and join the the club. family. Yeah, I will speak to you on Thursday. In the meantime, have a cracking week, and I hope you enjoy the Live Hartford Show. Yay, it's really cracking! See ya, bye-bye!