EP277: Nat’s Nieces #63 – how old is too old for another baby?

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:26 I've missed you both so much.

Speaker F 0:03:28 Oh yeah, you were— oh, because she actually went to work for once.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:32 Oh no, but I did. I missed you. It was a lot going to work.

Speaker F 0:03:37 Well done, you. No, you were away, to be fair.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:40 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:03:40 Away.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:41 I was away. A whim away.

Speaker F 0:03:44 He was not away. Well, not in her home. Okay. And that, what's that matter? Still hear from her. Bitch don't call when she's busy.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:55 It's a busy week.

Speaker F 0:03:59 I know.

Natalie Cassidy 0:03:59 Can't wait for you to hear all about that. It's an amazing, mad week actually that we can't talk about, but there we go. Um, I have to start— Good story. I'm gonna have to start where we left off.

Speaker F 0:04:12 Do it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:12 Hey, Nat and Fam, short and sweet on the topic of funny business names. I live in Perth, Australia, and obviously many houses have swimming pools. There is a business here that is called Only Pools and Horses. Very good.

Speaker F 0:04:26 Love it, love it. Oh, I love that topic so much.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:29 Oh, it's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

Speaker F 0:04:31 Any more on that? No, it's quite—

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:33 Just listening to most recent episode about business with excellent names and puns. Here in Bicester where I live, we have a guy who does decking and his business is called Total Deckhead. Fucking quality. Love your pod. Ellie Watson. Very good.

Speaker F 0:04:47 Total Deckhead.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:51 Really good.

Speaker F 0:04:52 A lot of traction on the old Hair, makeup.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:56 Loads.

Speaker F 0:04:57 Clothes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:04:58 Lots and lots. And I think we can safely say that you two are the psychopaths and not me.

Speaker G 0:05:05 Yeah, but also when people say makeup, hair, is their hair wet? 'Cause that's a really big—

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:12 I think it is wet. Not many people get curlers in.

Speaker G 0:05:15 No.

Speaker F 0:05:16 We did have a comment.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:17 Go on.

Speaker F 0:05:18 Hair, makeup, outfit, any other way and your surname is Bundy, Sutcliffe, or West.

Speaker G 0:05:27 Wow. What was that? What way?

Speaker F 0:05:28 Hair, makeup, outfit.

Speaker G 0:05:30 Oh, so, oh, oh, fair enough. But what I'm, what I'm saying is, if you, if I, so tomorrow, so tonight I've curled this myself. It looks lovely. Thank you. I will put it, why are you laughing?

Speaker F 0:05:43 No, just, it looks lovely.

Speaker G 0:05:44 I will put this in a tight bun. I will put my fringe in a roller.

Natalie Cassidy 0:05:49 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:05:50 No, we, no, no, no, no, it's, we're deepening it. This is from pure getting ready. Yes. Shower, wash your hair. Yes. What you doing?

Speaker G 0:05:57 No, no, no. 'Cause you, people don't wash their hair every day.

Speaker F 0:05:59 No, but that's what we're talking about.

Speaker G 0:06:00 No, I'm, I'm, forget washing hair. I would do my makeup before my hair.

Speaker F 0:06:04 Agree. Because your hair's dry, done. We're talking about drying the hair. Like if you're going— Oh, we, we are. You've gotta, if we're going from scratch.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:11 Mm. We are.

Speaker F 0:06:12 I would dry my hair first. Yeah. 100%. I'm not putting my makeup on then drying my fucking hair.

Speaker G 0:06:16 So you are telling me that majority of people putting their makeup on whilst their hair's wet? With it damp, apparently so.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:20 They are.

Speaker G 0:06:21 Wow.

Speaker F 0:06:21 Although some people said with the menopause, you're fucked because your makeup will be down your ankles.

Natalie Cassidy 0:06:25 And also, I think you've gotta then add timing for what gel or patch you're putting on at the same time, what HRT's going on. So that's another step. We've had quite a few messages saying you're all doing well, Nat's nieces, but you wait till there's an extra step to put in.

Speaker F 0:06:39 So, okay. So, all right. If I'm menopausal, I'm not doing my makeup because I'll be sweating like a bastard. Yeah. Do your hair. I'm not putting my clothes on. 'Cause I'll be sweating. Some people put their clothes on because they don't wanna get it on their makeup. So if I'm wearing a little roll neck or something, maybe I will do that before. No, why do you carry on anything underneath?

Speaker G 0:06:57 How are you blending in your shape?

Speaker F 0:06:58 I don't need to, I've got a roll neck on.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:00 Emma from Yeatley was one of the ladies that said, Nat's niece's rehair, makeup, and outfit order. You wait until you're on HRT and you have to build in oestrogen gel drying time. I'm now top half outfit, makeup, hair, bottom half outfit. Brilliant. So there you are.

Speaker F 0:07:16 Yeah. And a bit of back and forth, I think, is required. I mean, it's a— I didn't think it'd go down that well, but people fucking loved it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:25 People like the mundane. I shall say it again, and I shall continue to say it. You okay?

Speaker F 0:07:31 Sorry, a bit of dandruff.

Speaker G 0:07:33 Stunning. Yeah, that— I'm, I'm a bit mind-blown, really. Um, speaking of mundane.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:39 Yes.

Speaker G 0:07:40 If I— I feel like it happens to me a lot. If I'm in the car.

Natalie Cassidy 0:07:44 Yeah.

Speaker G 0:07:44 And I'm, I'm driving and I look at people walking along the road. Can they see if they then look at me? Can they see that I'm looking at them?

Speaker F 0:07:56 Yeah. If you can see them, they can see you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:01 Well, is there glass between you?

Speaker G 0:08:03 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:04 Yeah, I think they can see you then.

Speaker G 0:08:07 They just feel so far away. But you know, like in a car, if you're moving—

Speaker F 0:08:11 This is the way I would say this is mad.

Speaker G 0:08:13 No, because I was driving the other day and I really sort of locked eyes with someone, but not on purpose. I was just like looking, and then I thought, oh, can he see that I'm—

Speaker F 0:08:22 Yeah, because I think when you're, when you're inside the car, you think you're invisible, like picking your nose, doing a little this. And then when someone says, I saw you in the car the other day, and I think, oh, fuck, what What was I doing?

Speaker G 0:08:33 Surely they can't see me 'cause I'm moving at a much faster speed than they are.

Speaker F 0:08:37 Well, if they're looking at you, it's the same shit.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:39 Yeah. I know what you mean though. You didn't mention the speed. I thought you were saying that's fine. No, no, no.

Speaker G 0:08:44 What do you mean?

Speaker F 0:08:44 The speed for her is the same for the other person.

Speaker G 0:08:47 No, it means walking.

Natalie Cassidy 0:08:49 No, I know what you mean, but I do think it's different.

Speaker G 0:08:55 It's not different, you fucking idiot. All right, well, I'll stare at everyone 'cause I think it's a really good idea. You could— it's like when you've got sunglasses on, you can be really nosy.

Speaker F 0:09:07 Yeah, but they might not be looking at you. That's the difference. No, that's—

Speaker G 0:09:10 yeah, that is the difference.

Natalie Cassidy 0:09:11 I saw that idiot at Pierce's Farm and she was staring at me. Oh yeah. And then she put her head down. That was funny as well. Bitch. Have a listen to this.

Speaker H 0:09:24 I'm not being funny. It's not rocket science, is it?

Speaker H 0:09:27 We go and have a shower, we do whatever we do with our hair in the shower. When we get out, the first thing I'll do is bend over, put one of them turban-y towel things on my head, tie it back there, dry myself, get on and do my face. You got to do your face— oh, I can't see. Got to do your face first, haven't you? Like you're a blank canvas then, isn't it?

Speaker H 0:09:51 No hair in the way, do your face, and then by the time the towel comes off, my hair is semi-dry. I'm separating it, drying it, straightening it. That's that done. You get dressed last. No one wants to get dressed first, do they?

Speaker H 0:10:05 You're hot and bloody sweaty.

Speaker F 0:10:06 I will put my hair up in a towel. I will put my tinted moisturiser on. I will. I would do that. But then I'm drying my hair. And also sometimes, depending on how your hair comes out, depends on how much makeup you need to put on.

Speaker G 0:10:20 If it's shit and you need to slap it on. Yeah, but I think the blank canvas is quite a— No, because normally my roller would— Oh, aye. Fringe would be in a roller, so my hair is all away from my fudge hair.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:33 I understand. And also, when you say blank canvas, the same 6 pieces of makeup go on the face at any time. There's no change.

Speaker G 0:10:42 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:43 There are 6 things that go on my face.

Speaker F 0:10:45 Yeah, like some people do eyeshadow and that. I mean, I— yeah, no.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:48 There's no difference from day to night. Yeah, same. To live show. It's all the same.

Speaker F 0:10:54 To brunches.

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:55 Doesn't matter. The same makeup goes on.

Speaker F 0:10:58 It's bad, innit?

Natalie Cassidy 0:10:59 No, I don't think so.

Speaker F 0:11:00 But that's why I think sometimes then when I have my makeup done, I'm like, oh.

Speaker G 0:11:03 No, mine's not the same. My day is not the same to if I'm doing like, again, the live shows or going out.

Speaker F 0:11:10 What are you doing extra?

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:11 Yeah, well, I use a foundation rather than a—

Speaker F 0:11:14 See, I don't.

Speaker G 0:11:14 Than a, like, just my little Charlotte Tilbury tinted stick thing. I'll maybe put some like powder, as in setting spray. Might do a little bit of eye.

Speaker F 0:11:28 I've always wished, that is one thing I wish I could do, makeup. I wish I'd learnt it. I wish I could do it.

Speaker G 0:11:36 There's still time, even just to know where you're putting— I'm not good at it at all. Yeah, but if somebody taught you where to put things properly.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:43 I like my, I like the way I do mine, but mine's so simple. You do yours alright. I know, but it's so simple. It's shocking. I could do a bit of eyeshadow. I can do it.

Speaker F 0:11:53 It ages us.

Natalie Cassidy 0:11:54 It ages me. Eyeshadow ages me. You mean you don't? Get yourself on Loose Women. Fucking hell, they love a bit of eyeshadow.

Speaker F 0:12:00 Yeah. On it goes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:02 You go on there, you look 82.

Speaker F 0:12:03 Yeah, no, ages me. Elia can pull it off.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:05 Eyeshadow and a red lip.

Speaker F 0:12:07 Oh no, no, that's my— that is— that's my—

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:10 no, no, no, no disrespect to the Loose Women makeup artists.

Speaker G 0:12:14 Coating them right up.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:16 No, no, I'm just saying for me, I'm like, oh, not for me.

Speaker G 0:12:18 Yeah, because you're not used to it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:19 No, I'm not used to it. Ah, we had a lovely message here from Catherine from Belfast, right?

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:25 Mm-hmm. And she said, it was for me, Auntie Lynnie, and RoRo. It was our pod, but it also applies to you. All the best, hun. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:32 No, it also applies to you. You'll like this. She said, I'm just listening to the pod discussing mother and daughter relationships. My mum reminds me of Lynnie in so many ways. She loves to help me clean, bliss.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:42 And I can send my washing round, et cetera. I'm 44, by the way. She listens with no judgement at all. And has always since I was young, even as a teenager. But listening to the other message from the listener whose mum had her at 17 struck a chord, as my mum had me at 18.

Natalie Cassidy 0:12:59 I feel that sometimes as the oldest sibling, I'm looked upon to have all the answers and be the adult for the whole family, including my mum and dad. Maybe that is an oldest sibling thing. Anyway, I love the pod. And that is from Linda from Belfast. How cute is that?

Speaker F 0:13:14 Oh, it's lovely.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:14 So you're not the only ones with a great mum.

Speaker G 0:13:17 No, I'm sure we're not.

Speaker F 0:13:18 Many, many, many a great mum out there. We're us 3 fucking smashing mums. No, it is, um, it's an interesting one. I was thinking about it the other day, like, you won't understand this. You might understand it a little bit because although you are the youngest, because there's such a big age gap.

Natalie Cassidy 0:13:41 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:13:43 I don't know, did you ever feel like— Well, you're not telling us what— No, sorry, I'm just— no, yeah, no, I'm sorry, yeah, I'm not explaining it.

Speaker F 0:13:49 No, I mean, as the eldest, you're— it is at a different upbringing. You're privy to so much more than what they were because they were younger. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's even thinking about at home and the dynamics or things that would go on. Like, I'm probably more aware of a lot more than what they were because they were younger.

Speaker F 0:14:12 So it is interesting, all the different ages when you have your children. You know how everyone says you bring all your children up differently, but it's, it's never the same because at the ages they're more aware of— even with Alfie and Ruby, and there's only just about a 2-year age gap, but they're still— yeah, that age gap still, when you're a bit older, you're just privy and you understand things a lot more. It's really interesting.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:34 Well, I think it is. I mean, I feel like More, more to the fact that I was brought up more as an only child.

Speaker F 0:14:40 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:41 Um, and I feel like I had to—

Speaker F 0:14:43 But you were aware, you were present and were privy to things that Dad and Tony weren't because they didn't live there.

Natalie Cassidy 0:14:50 Yeah, but that's the same, that's the same as me not being born and them having 18 years of me not being there. So they were privy to a lot of things before I was there. Absolutely. So we've all had extremely different—

Speaker G 0:15:02 someone that's then lived at home for 10 years longer because—

Speaker F 0:15:07 Yeah, yeah, true, yeah.

Speaker G 0:15:08 It all just goes round in different ways.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:10 But you're right, everybody's upbringing is different because of the time that you were in.

Speaker G 0:15:14 I spent more time at home without you there.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:19 Yes.

Speaker G 0:15:19 You were travelling, then you moved out. Yeah.

Speaker F 0:15:21 But not much, but you didn't move out long before me, after me, sorry. After you, no, of course.

Speaker G 0:15:26 But I still, if you, you know.

Speaker F 0:15:27 Yeah. I know, but then I had—

Speaker G 0:15:29 You were then going out more 'cause you were older, whereas I was actually at home spending time. Yeah. It's just different.

Speaker F 0:15:35 No, it is, of course. But it's even just things like when I think, like, when Mum and Dad were my age, I was like, how old was I? 17. I was at an age where you understood. Do you know what I mean? Like, I keep thinking now, if I had a child that was 17, 18, yeah, and I'm going through what I'm going through, how would you— they would be so aware of that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:15:57 Of course, of course.

Speaker G 0:15:58 A lot of children are.

Speaker F 0:15:59 Yes, it's mad, isn't it? It's just, yeah, interesting, the different dynamics. And even on that, it's— I keep seeing on social media at the moment, I can't remember, I sent it to you, in their 50s, women in their 50s pregnant.

Speaker G 0:16:14 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:14 Oh yes.

Speaker F 0:16:15 Quite a lot of famous people.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:16 Yeah. Oh, who was it? Oh, it was huge, wasn't it? A couple of weeks back.

Speaker G 0:16:21 Yeah, she's got children.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:22 Yeah, no, Hollywood star, isn't she? Sorry, we should know that.

Speaker F 0:16:26 I don't know, Cameron Diaz, I think she has her children by surrogate, I think. But she's in her 50s. But again, yeah, like, so then you're doing it in your 50s, which—

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:37 It's an interesting point. Amanda Hooper? No.

Speaker G 0:16:41 Oh, sorry, she's not a celeb. Hilary Swank. Yes, thank you. Hilary Swank, 52.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:46 Yeah. Yeah. What do I think about that? That's 10 years older than me now, 9 years older than me now. Mum had me at 44, obviously.

Speaker F 0:16:55 Which was old then.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:58 Very old.

Speaker F 0:16:59 But not now.

Natalie Cassidy 0:16:59 No, but what I would say is, Although I'm very happy to be here, I think that was probably the worst decision that my mum as a human being and as a woman ever made, because I don't think her health was very good afterwards.

Speaker G 0:17:15 But that is an isolated case, I think.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:18 No, yeah. Now. Oh, I'm just talking about—

Speaker G 0:17:20 Yes. Your situation.

Speaker F 0:17:21 And you were unfortunate she died when she was young. Yes. She had lived till she was 90.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:26 80. Even 80 I would've been happy with.

Speaker F 0:17:28 Yeah, that's what I mean. But I do get that. I do get that part of it of, I was having these conversations at work and it is that, well, it's that you feel it's for yourself.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:38 Yeah. But also, but also you don't have a crystal ball and you never know. And also—

Speaker G 0:17:41 You could live till you're 100 and, and I think—

Speaker F 0:17:43 Or you could have a kid at your age and die too. You know what I mean? You don't know. I might get run over tomorrow.

Natalie Cassidy 0:17:47 Yeah.

Speaker G 0:17:47 I think as well, this day and age, people are naturally having children later. Of course. Therefore, so even back, you know, one day it would've been unusual for someone to have a child at, 35. Correct. Because everyone was having children at 18, 19, 20, 21. So even at 32 was probably a bit, a bit of a shock. But now we're living longer.

Speaker F 0:18:09 Back then, like once upon a time, people were lucky to live till they're 30. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker G 0:18:13 So now I think you'll find there are a lot more people having children in their 40s because—

Speaker F 0:18:18 Because also, Els, yeah, because people are having their careers. Of course. And then they're probably— Life's also hard too. Expensive. So they're probably more stable.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:25 People can't get on a property ladder. Yeah. Until, what's the average age? It's mid-30s. Oh, if not later.

Speaker G 0:18:31 So everything's happening.

Natalie Cassidy 0:18:32 Everything's a lot later because of everything happening. And actually, if you feel well enough, healthy enough, secure enough, you've got your shit together at 50.

Speaker F 0:18:41 Well, this is— it's funny, you know your stuff. I read some posts and it was like, actually, you're fucking tired anyway because you're just at that age, so it doesn't matter. It's not a shock to the system. Whereas sometimes when you're younger, it's like, shit, I can't cope with this sleepless nights. Where it's like, when you're older, you're Your body sort of, you can't get sweaty. Your body's not sweating crazy. You're a bit more patient. Yeah. And you've been through a lot. Yeah, you're more compassionate, empathetic. You've sort of done your, you've sort of done life. So actually—

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:11 Ready to give it to someone else.

Speaker G 0:19:12 Yeah. But yeah, I do, the thing for me is the time. I'd be thinking, I've only potentially got 30 years. But also someone that really wants to be a mum that's never had that opportunity, why should they?

Speaker F 0:19:23 Well, she hasn't, I think that's her third.

Speaker G 0:19:26 Oh wow.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:26 But again, amazing. I think it's incredible.

Speaker F 0:19:29 No, it is incredible. But then look at you from your perspective. I know, but that's my story. I do think I would feel like that. I'd be a bit gutted. I'd be like, wow, Mum, you're gonna be around for not, not that long. Even if it is very long, it's not long. It's not.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:44 How I play my life out is through that. So I go, oh my God, this is— I can't, I can't help it. I go Oh my God, I've got a 16-year-old. My mum hadn't had me yet.

Speaker F 0:19:55 Yeah, do you? Yeah. God, wow. Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:19:58 And I've had 16 years of my daughter because I just think that's amazing.

Speaker F 0:20:03 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:03 At the same time, if I had the patience and energy, I would absolutely love to be a mum again, but I know it's not the right thing to do for my mental health.

Speaker G 0:20:13 And your sleep.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:16 All of that. The whole lot. sleep and health and not the right thing to do.

Speaker F 0:20:20 Yeah, no, I couldn't, I couldn't do it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:22 No.

Speaker F 0:20:22 At all now. But it's—

Speaker G 0:20:24 But is that because you've done it? Because why?

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:28 No, I would love to do it again. I would love to.

Speaker F 0:20:32 Oh yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:32 And I'll say one thing to you both, which was a bit wild. When at yours the other week when it was James's birthday and all the children were there, And they were all playing. And I remember watching them all playing and looking up at Mark, and Mark looking at me. And we got home and I said, oh, that was really nice, wasn't it? I said, what'd you think? And he went, I know what you're gonna say, I thought it too.

Speaker F 0:20:59 Aw.

Natalie Cassidy 0:20:59 And that is the first time I mean that ever in a long 10 years. Yeah. 'Cause he goes, no, like, like we always say no. But the thing is, it's— But it was a genuine, like, that's special.

Speaker F 0:21:10 Of course, yeah. But you're not gonna, you won't have that. That's the thing you've got. Oh, well. No, but I mean, no, but I mean, again, you can't— I get it, but it's the same for me.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:20 It's a picturesque— Yeah. Yes.

Speaker F 0:21:21 Like, now mine, like, going to Lego, like, being able to just do stuff, they're so— it's easy. I've gone through that phase. I don't think I could then bring that back into—

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:29 I know, but that phase I loved.

Speaker F 0:21:31 No, I know, I do. It's amazing. Do you know what I mean? As they get older, don't get me wrong, even of course I loved the baby stage. I loved it. I'd have babies every— if I could do the baby thing, easy. Loved it. Loved being pregnant. Loved having newborns. loved that. It's the middle part for me that's a bit stressful.

Natalie Cassidy 0:21:50 But I think also, again, because of your story, you had them, you had 2 close together, and that's hard. Yeah. Whereas having one, it's very different. I've only ever had one at that stage.

Speaker G 0:22:01 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:01 Because of my situation and the age gap. And I loved every bit. The 2, the 3. That's fine. The learning, the talking, the reading, the—

Speaker F 0:22:10 Yeah. Do you see what I mean? You didn't have— no, but you didn't because they're both— Yeah, but that's why— but no, for me, because I felt it was so easy. That's why I had another one so quickly.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:19 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:22:20 And then it was, they were easy and then it got a bit tricky. Of course. And now it's getting easy again. But for me, I just couldn't, I don't think I could put myself back in that. Like I see Elia with James and Anissa with Frankie, like, don't get me wrong, I love it even. But for me now, James is, this is my, I can, I love the newborn.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:38 And then about 2.

Speaker F 0:22:40 Then I'm back in the game. But it's, it's different for real. She's got one little one.

Natalie Cassidy 0:22:46 Yep.

Speaker F 0:22:47 for me, when they're sort of now independent and grown up, I don't think I could go back to that, that stage of—

Speaker G 0:22:54 Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? I don't know, I think that's the time it hits you more and you're like, oh.

Speaker F 0:22:58 Yeah, but see, I think actually it's when then they get to like 10 or— do you know what I mean? I know a few people where they've got their kids, their first one's got that bit older, the middle one, the next one's that little bit older, and then they're—

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:10 It does scare me because I think there's still time. And I think, oh, that— What's that say? I don't know. I don't know. I just think it is quite a scary thought. 'Cause in my head, again, my mum had me at 44. That time's coming. And I think kids are grown up. There's a part of me that goes, genuinely, a part of me goes, that is the most ridiculous thing that I could ever do. Stupid. We're gonna have our independence. I can start doing my own things, have my life back. The kids are all grown up. They're healthy. Brilliant. That's still stressful 'cause you're going through all that.

Speaker F 0:23:43 Yeah, yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:43 And the other part of my brain is like, why the fuck are you not having another one? Really? 'Cause you love that.

Speaker F 0:23:48 Oh God.

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:50 And it's that.

Speaker F 0:23:50 Yeah, really. Yeah, it's mad. She'd be like nanny with that 19-year age gap, wouldn't she?

Natalie Cassidy 0:23:56 I'll have a pram going up Hoddesdon.

Speaker G 0:23:58 Yeah, but also it don't matter. Who's saying that that's a problem? There's no rules, is there, at all? No. That's just what society says. Oh, you can have another one. It's such a big age gap. People do what they wanna do.

Speaker F 0:24:09 People do it all the time, don't they? Yeah. Yeah, it's more you. your lifestyle. And like you say, freedom for you, Els, you're in the thick of it. Don't matter now if you have another, do you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, of course, you could, or you have an age gap of 5 years.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:22 It is very different what I'm saying because you are changing your life again. Of course, of course, you're complete. But that, I am being honest, it's either this is incredible and you can start being selfish again and have your own life. But even to that degree, for me, because of how I am, My life is my kids. I don't go, I know people now, I'm not saying it's wrong. Children of the same age as me, they leave 'em all at home, we're going away. I think, what the fuck are you doing? I'm not saying they're wrong.

Speaker G 0:24:50 That's just not what you do.

Natalie Cassidy 0:24:52 That's not what, so for me, I am still in that. I know they're older, but I don't feel like, I dunno, I'm still here, I'm still around. And Joni's 10. So I'm gonna be around for at least another 5 years. It's not like you're, I dunno, again, there's no right or wrong. No right or wrong.

Speaker G 0:25:11 No, it's interesting. Yeah, I just think what you, yeah, it is interesting.

Speaker F 0:25:13 I think as well, like, you don't wanna give up your life as well. Like, you're not getting any younger.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:19 Absolutely.

Speaker F 0:25:21 No, but we are, do you know what I mean? You're not, are you? So.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:24 I agree.

Speaker F 0:25:24 Again, it's—

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:25 But then again, that I love, that is sort of my life.

Speaker G 0:25:30 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:30 That's when I'm most happy. So in a way you go—

Speaker F 0:25:33 Yeah, but you talk about you wanna go away, you wanna do this.

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:36 I wanna go to France and I wanna go doing stuff and painting courses and cookery courses in Italy.

Speaker F 0:25:44 I just think it's that thing of like—

Natalie Cassidy 0:25:45 It's just, you never know. And that's me being totally— No, but like Elle, with Elle's like—

Speaker G 0:25:49 Yeah, but I know with you as well, you say that you wanna maybe do that like one, you're not gonna be doing that every, like some people are travelling every month doing things. You're not gonna do that.

Speaker F 0:25:58 But it's always that thing, isn't it, of, when you've done it, you miss it. I, I was thinking about it today, I've phoned, speaking to her on the phone, I could hear James in the background, he's talking to me, and then you sent the photo and I was just like, oh my God, I remember when Alfie was like that. He does remind me of Alfie as well, so I think that, um, triggers a few things to me. And of course, because it's what you haven't got, I do it already.

Speaker G 0:26:22 I look at baby photos of him and I'm like, I could cry. I know. When he's like 6 weeks old or 2 weeks old. Yeah. It's just mad.

Speaker F 0:26:30 I know, I know.

Speaker G 0:26:31 But yeah, it's a funny one.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:33 It's a funny old game.

Speaker F 0:26:34 But I guess if you thought like that, we'd all just be keep having babies, popping 'em out.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:38 But anyway, good on you, Hilary Swank. Yeah. If you're listening. Could be. She could be. She might be.

Speaker G 0:26:44 She's probably not.

Natalie Cassidy 0:26:46 No, but she could be.

Speaker F 0:26:48 She's probably getting her sleep in.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:09 Nat, I'm in a lift in Rixos Hotel, Turkey, and a man and his daughter has come with this massive inflatable unicorn. No room for anyone else. And he said, guess how much this cost me? €80. And he said, I'm hiring it from out from tomorrow. I laughed out loud because I immediately thought of Maria and Ruby. Love, Charlie.

Speaker G 0:29:32 Very good.

Speaker F 0:29:33 Thank you. Yeah, he got Oh, superb.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:38 Oh, piggybacking on the Cornish funny business names, on the same road down to Padstow, there's a little food place in a lay-by called Nice Baps.

Speaker G 0:29:49 Oh, very good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:29:51 Oh, you gotta laugh. Let's have a listen. I don't know what we've got, a little bit of roulette here for the voice notes.

Speaker K 0:29:57 Hey Nat, hope you're well.

Speaker K 0:29:58 Thank you for the show yesterday, it was amazing. Honestly, I haven't been out for ages and it was so good to meet up with friends as well, and obviously our KFC. for their mum, which is also really nice. And just relating to your pod, you said about which way around to get ready. Now, I tend to do it this way.

Speaker K 0:30:17 If I'm not washing my hair, I tend to do my makeup first and then sort my hair out after, and then, um, put my outfit on. But if I was to do my hair, as in wash it, then I most likely would dry my hair first, pin my hair up quick, do my face, and then sort out my hair after, and then get my outfit on.

Speaker H 0:30:42 That's the way round I would do it.

Speaker G 0:30:43 That's your hero, innit, Els? What was her name?

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:47 It's Gayle. Gayle from Much Ado.

Speaker G 0:30:48 Gayle, thank you. Thank you. Because that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker F 0:30:53 Gayle is funny.

Speaker G 0:30:54 You've gotta have, you've gotta have 2 heads, Hilary.

Natalie Cassidy 0:30:56 I know what you're saying.

Speaker G 0:30:57 Sorry, you do. I understand. Because you're not washing, there's not many people that wash their hair every day, and if you do, then you're the psychopath.

Speaker C 0:31:04 Good morning, Nat and Nat's nieces.

Speaker L 0:31:06 I'm just responding to basically the title of your, um, episode, uh, what makes us a grown-up. Um, it has been said that women generally mature and grow up a little bit quicker than men.

Speaker F 0:31:20 A little bit?

Speaker M 0:31:20 I wouldn't say a lot.

Speaker L 0:31:23 Um, as a rule of thumb, a woman, um, Collectively, men and women, it depends on responsibility. Uh, so when you get your first, your first flat or apartment or whatever, however—

Speaker G 0:31:34 A certain period.

Speaker L 0:31:35 Accommodation where you're actually independent on your own, I think that's a sense of growing up and maturity.

Speaker L 0:31:41 Uh, but as a family unit, I think women, regardless of age, maturity kind of stems as soon as you walk in, you've got a child. instant wake-up call for growing up because you're responsible for this beautiful new life you're bringing into the world. That's a woman's perspective. Man's perspective, as soon as you have a child, it's almost like you've reset yourself to being an absolute nuisance as a teenage boy. So that's an excuse not to grow up.

Speaker L 0:32:15 And I think men grow up once their children are of, I would imagine, Teenage years, because again, Interesting. Who's got the patience for teenage drama, attitude, chip on the shoulder, um, people going through the, uh, testosterone and oestrogen levels where they're all maturing that way? Mood swings, who needs them as a teenager? I think that's when a man could class himself as grown up, when he's trying to curb the emotions of a teenager as well as dealing with everything else. So hopefully I'm not wrong, I'm not right, it's just an opinion.

Speaker L 0:32:55 How do you class yourself as grown up? Um, I'm the Mackem amongst the smogs, David, from living in the borough.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:01 Oh, thank you.

Speaker G 0:33:03 Thank you. Yeah, I, I don't agree. Even after having James though, I didn't think, oh, still not there.

Speaker F 0:33:13 Not putting you in play with your real life, darling.

Speaker G 0:33:15 No, I thought he's mine and that, but—

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:17 You don't feel grown up?

Speaker G 0:33:18 I don't know. Sometimes. Do you think it's 'cause I'm short? I genuinely think that I feel grown up. It's how people perceive me. Yes, I understand. It's when I'm walking around, I think, are people looking at me going, oh, she's like nearly 35, or, oh, she looks like 12, 'cause I'm short.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:38 She's nearly 80. I just don't—

Speaker G 0:33:40 People are short. Old people are short. Yeah, no, I know. I was actually reading today. We were talking about this at work. You shrink as you get older. Yeah, yeah. I do. Fucking amazing. I think people think you're like 80 or that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:33:52 Yeah, cracking facelift.

Speaker G 0:33:55 Have you got the name of your surgeon? Yeah, I don't know, it's just, yeah, it's more how people perceive me.

Speaker F 0:34:03 Yeah, so yeah, I worry, like, so like with you and Eliza, if you're trying to tell her stuff at her age, I would just think, I'm so—

Speaker G 0:34:12 I'm still that age, how am I telling you stuff?

Speaker F 0:34:15 Yeah, I mean Yes.

Speaker G 0:34:17 Like now I feel like I could just talk to her as she's my age and she's not my age. No, no, far from it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:22 No, I feel, I feel very grown up. I feel like a grown up when I'm talking to her. I don't feel at all on her level.

Speaker F 0:34:29 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:29 Not one bit on her level. She's a completely different age to me and it's good. It's a good thing. Well, it's like— I don't like all that, my best friend. No.

Speaker F 0:34:39 Oh, I know. There was this girl at work, um, Well, I went to the Amy Winehouse thing that Mark Ronson—

Natalie Cassidy 0:34:45 Oh, was it good? Tell us about it.

Speaker G 0:34:47 It was amazing. Yeah. But I just missed some of the people. I just struggle with it.

Speaker F 0:34:52 It was lovely, and I love the fact that he's keeping her memory alive because he adores her, and I love that he's doing that. And not that they were mimicking her, like, the women were amazing that were there, but I just don't like people singing her songs.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:07 That's fair enough.

Speaker G 0:35:07 I know, but he's got to keep her alive. No, it was, it was a great night. It was lovely. I'm glad I went.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:12 But it's like granddad wanted to throw a brick at the television when Robbie Williams was singing Frank Sinatra songs. Oh, I mean, that's what I'm getting at a little bit.

Speaker F 0:35:20 But yeah, no, it was beautiful. But yeah, you just, it's just sad, innit? 'Cause she should be there.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:25 Yeah. She was too young. Yeah.

Speaker F 0:35:26 She didn't fucking even have enough songs. She did 2 albums. It's not even, it's not a lot of music.

Speaker G 0:35:32 No. Yeah, it's mad.

Speaker F 0:35:34 But yeah, anyway, sorry.

Speaker G 0:35:36 So the girl at work, she went and I bumped into her and her mum. So today she was like, oh, my mum said you were lovely. Of course. She said, was it you she met?

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:46 Thank you.

Speaker G 0:35:48 And I'd had 3 whiskies. No, I'm joking. And she said, yeah. I said to her, you know, she's 40. She went, no, she's not. I said, ah, I like your mum.

Natalie Cassidy 0:35:59 Yeah. Did you tell her all the surgery you had? Or did she tell you that she'd had 8 whiskies?

Speaker G 0:36:05 That's what I mean.

Speaker F 0:36:09 Yeah, I know.

Speaker G 0:36:09 What, what does it completely look like? I know, but it doesn't look like anything.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:12 I know.

Speaker G 0:36:12 You say, that, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker F 0:36:15 She said my mum couldn't believe that you were 40.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:17 But also, yeah, but you could say that a lot as well about, you know, mum's—

Speaker G 0:36:25 look at mum, people can't believe she's 63. Oh, shocking. Now what? Said her age.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:31 No, I think we talk about quite a lot.

Speaker G 0:36:34 Um, but, or a lot of people, you know, you see people, I don't know, friends' mums, and, you know, but there's some people There's some people. Yeah, there's some that look 10 years older.

Speaker F 0:36:46 Yeah.

Speaker G 0:36:47 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:36:47 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:36:48 I can't mention names. Oh no, please don't.

Speaker G 0:36:51 Fucking hell. What are you talking about?

Speaker F 0:36:53 Not in a horrible way, but there's some people and they're literally like 4 years older than me and I—

Speaker G 0:36:59 Of course. Yeah.

Speaker F 0:37:01 And it's not even I, it's not me. Sorry, judgement. People, people, other people are like, Wow. But again, I sometimes think it is the situation.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:12 Yes.

Speaker F 0:37:13 The position, the power position.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:15 I was just about to say, you're at a concert, you're in Camden, you're out.

Speaker F 0:37:20 Her mum's there.

Speaker G 0:37:21 Oh, but I'm just saying. It's true though.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:24 You're in a concert, you're out, you're having a drink.

Speaker G 0:37:26 Her mum's there, she's older than you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:28 I know, but I'm just saying it's also about the situation you're in, where you are. No, I don't.

Speaker G 0:37:33 Is that what you were talking about?

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:34 No, not really. No, no, no.

Speaker F 0:37:37 But I mean, like at work, say for instance.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:40 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:37:40 Sometimes I think it depends on what position you're at.

Natalie Cassidy 0:37:44 Oh, I see.

Speaker F 0:37:44 So people will assume that you're older than what you are. Do you know what I mean? That kind of thing. Yeah. And I said to the— I was saying to the girls, because my assistants were like, oh no, you don't seem 40. I said, but I think it's because I work with young girls. It does keep me younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mum said it a bit, doesn't it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:02 Yes.

Speaker F 0:38:03 Working in a younger environment. it does keep you in the game.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:07 And I do think also in the creative industry that I'm in, again, there's no age bracket.

Speaker F 0:38:12 That I'm in?

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:13 No, but there's no age bracket. No. So you go to school, no, you go to work and you're with so many different— age is just not a thing. You don't talk about age at all. You're with an 80-year-old and then a 7-year-old.

Speaker G 0:38:28 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:38:29 But I think that's That's working. That should— that's pretty much work in general, isn't it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:34 No.

Speaker F 0:38:35 Well, I mean, not very often a 7-year-old knocking about in the office, but, um, you know, if you're in the city— If there was, I'd be worried.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:41 You're not in the city, are you, with an 82-year-old woman and an 8-year-old all in the same office?

Speaker F 0:38:47 It's so true.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:48 Be honest. No, it's a bit rare.

Speaker F 0:38:50 That is true.

Natalie Cassidy 0:38:51 You're not in a hairdresser's, are you, and there's a 62-year-old, 90-year-old, 15-year-old, and a 2-year-old baby? And Sonia. So it's a weird one. It's a weird one.

Speaker F 0:39:06 You might, yeah, you might rage. You're fucked. Are you up to date on EastEnders? Uh, yes. We'll talk about TV in a minute. It's so good. We'll come on to TV. Can we just quickly, sorry, I did make some notes.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:23 Yes.

Speaker F 0:39:25 I had a lasagne dip.

Speaker G 0:39:27 Yeah, I'm not sure. We was once, we was talking about lasagne soup a minute ago and now we've got lasagne dips.

Speaker F 0:39:32 I fucking loved it.

Speaker G 0:39:35 Well, and, and the thing is that that's that bolognese that you haven't made, so you might as well have gone and bought bolognese in a tin.

Speaker F 0:39:42 Hell yeah. It is basically—

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:44 What is it?

Speaker F 0:39:45 The— With no pasta. Micruave.

Natalie Cassidy 0:39:47 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:39:49 You know the, the fucking ready meal lasagne? Yeah. It's that without the pasta sheets.

Speaker G 0:39:54 It's that dirty béchamel, which is banging. The dirty white sauce.

Speaker F 0:39:59 It's so like—

Speaker G 0:40:00 And like them. And because it's just a little—

Speaker F 0:40:02 yeah, because it's a little pot, you just—

Speaker G 0:40:05 Yeah, but you could just do that yourself.

Speaker F 0:40:07 Well, fucking, I will be doing it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:09 Also, um, before you came around tonight, we do have a confession.

Speaker F 0:40:13 What?

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:14 Um, we cracked open a cheese melt with some bread.

Speaker F 0:40:18 What one?

Speaker G 0:40:19 Cheddar and chilli.

Speaker F 0:40:21 Where's that from? Cheddar and chilli.

Speaker G 0:40:25 We did try and save you some, but what was it in?

Speaker F 0:40:29 Where's the pot?

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:30 It's in the dishwasher.

Speaker G 0:40:31 Chill out.

Speaker F 0:40:32 Where's the pot? I need the pot.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:34 Like she needs another one.

Speaker F 0:40:35 I know.

Speaker G 0:40:36 I mean, but who asks that? Where's the pot?

Speaker F 0:40:39 Because I didn't see it downstairs.

Speaker G 0:40:40 Yeah, I'm talking about, right? It's in the dishwasher. It's in the bin.

Speaker F 0:40:43 Terracotta?

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:44 Yes.

Speaker F 0:40:44 Wow. Was it good?

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:47 Yes.

Speaker G 0:40:47 Yeah, it was.

Speaker F 0:40:48 You ate the whole fucking thing.

Natalie Cassidy 0:40:49 What I'd say about it is I know it's controversial here, but I'm not overly bothered about cheese melts.

Speaker G 0:41:00 I just want a Camembert or a Brie. I'm up for it. I'd rather just have a Camembert with loads of garlic in it, a bit of chutney, or—

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:08 I don't mind them, don't get me wrong.

Speaker F 0:41:10 But you haven't had the chorizo one.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:12 Oh no, I have. Mark's is one.

Speaker F 0:41:14 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:14 No, no.

Speaker G 0:41:14 Chorizo Manchego.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:16 Manchego and chorizo is— oh my God, it is.

Speaker G 0:41:20 Well, you didn't fucking want to open that one, did you?

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:22 No, I thought I'd save that.

Speaker G 0:41:23 She went, oh, I think, I think the, uh, the cheddar and chilli one's actually nicer. That's because she wanted to keep it. You're a bitch. We'll open that later.

Speaker F 0:41:31 But we could make that ourselves. Yes, I did buy her a cheese fondant kit. I bought it for her. The— you melt your own cheese.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:40 Yeah, where is that?

Speaker F 0:41:41 At home. I use it to melt chocolate. I forgot to give it to you. Oh. I mean, you're not gonna use it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:50 No, I probably wouldn't use it. No, I don't need any more shit in the cupboards.

Speaker G 0:41:52 Yeah, I, I just want a Camembert with some rosemary in it and some lovely bread.

Natalie Cassidy 0:41:56 Garlic, rosemary, big Camembert.

Speaker F 0:41:58 I've got a pot actually. Becky bought me one of them.

Speaker G 0:42:01 Yes.

Speaker F 0:42:02 Pots.

Speaker G 0:42:02 I've got one.

Speaker F 0:42:03 Oh, there you go.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:03 I've got one with a lid.

Speaker F 0:42:04 Oh, well you can do it. Why are you not doing it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:06 Yeah, it's lovely. No, I'm just saying in comparison to those.

Speaker F 0:42:10 You didn't, bit sickly for you.

Speaker G 0:42:11 No, we mullered it, the whole thing.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:13 It got in quite quickly.

Speaker F 0:42:15 I haven't had one. You've had one before me.

Speaker G 0:42:17 You've had one lasagne hardener before. I've never had one in my life.

Speaker F 0:42:20 Have you not?

Speaker G 0:42:21 Not like just a cheese one, no.

Speaker F 0:42:23 So, and now, so now you've had one.

Speaker G 0:42:26 I'll have more.

Speaker F 0:42:27 But do you understand how I've got all those pots?

Speaker G 0:42:29 Yes.

Speaker F 0:42:30 But that's not normal, is it? No, not the amount of pots.

Speaker G 0:42:33 But I, I will keep going with them. I reckon I'll give them all a try.

Natalie Cassidy 0:42:36 I think you should. Just gotta mention this 'cause it's brilliant. Alison said, walked past SM's yesterday and it was absolutely mobbed. Not one table free. So great to see local business doing well. The pod shout out worked well. I can't say it was because of the pod shout out, 'cause it's excellent.

Speaker F 0:42:54 But the paint and the painting, I walked past it. Brilliant, isn't it? Yeah, it looks amazing. So clever. Really good. I put a post up the other day of some garlic.

Speaker G 0:43:06 Yep.

Speaker F 0:43:07 So people that come to the Stalkford show understand the context of the garlic. And, 'cause we mentioned Gayle earlier, she said, your pockets must smell gorgeous. I said, it's in the wash already. Don't worry about it.

Speaker G 0:43:23 Excellent. Very good.

Speaker F 0:43:25 Basically, guys, I steal garlic. I don't pay for it. That is something that happens. That's not true. It's not actually true, is it? It's only a joke.

Speaker G 0:43:32 Well, I'm not sure.

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:35 I think a few bulbs may have slipped in.

Speaker G 0:43:36 I'll tell you what I can't understand, why anyone buys the small bulbs.

Speaker F 0:43:43 Fuck it, you've got to be—

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:44 I, I have done that in the trio.

Speaker F 0:43:47 Oh my God, that's crazy. Like, you're, you, that you're using a whole—

Speaker G 0:43:52 I do use a bulb bulb, but just, just get a large one. Yeah, like, that is mind-blowing.

Natalie Cassidy 0:43:59 If I ever I'll tell you what blows my mind, that we're not growing garlic cuz it's one of the easiest things to grow.

Speaker F 0:44:05 What do you mean? Don't you grow it?

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:08 No. But it's easy. I will be, I will be growing garlic. Stunning. I will come steal your garlic.

Speaker F 0:44:13 However, in Asda, not the one, not my local one, which is a real goddamn shame. The one in, do you know I've got all the pots and the cheese now? I've got lots of little baskets. Yeah.

Speaker G 0:44:26 Because they do 'em. You're obsessed.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:28 What are the baskets for?

Speaker F 0:44:28 So it, It's baby whole clove of garlic.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:33 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:44:34 Little mini garlics whole. So you peel it.

Speaker G 0:44:39 And it's just one whole clove. It's one whole clove. It's like a bulb.

Speaker F 0:44:41 It looks like a bulb.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:42 Oh wow.

Speaker F 0:44:43 No, it's the cutest thing you've ever seen.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:45 In a basket.

Speaker F 0:44:46 They come in a little basket.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:47 Ah, so you've got a load of baskets for Easter.

Speaker G 0:44:50 I mean, no wonder why she needs to fucking constantly clean the cupboards out. The shit that's knocking about.

Natalie Cassidy 0:44:56 I need to do my wardrobes out. There's just thousands of pots and baskets full in that tumbler. crumbling down.

Speaker F 0:45:02 That's really bad. Els, why don't you enlighten everyone about your shopping experience?

Speaker G 0:45:07 I went to Dunelm. Yeah. To get some photo frames.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:10 Yes.

Speaker G 0:45:11 After receiving an astronomical quote to get some frames done.

Speaker F 0:45:16 I mean, I'm shocked, and I'm so fucking proud of you.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:20 Thank you. You're welcome.

Speaker G 0:45:21 Because I normally would have just said, just do it. And it isn't— I don't blame the shop because I appreciate what goes into it and the the technology, the machines that, you know, they buy to make frames. I, I'm not disputing that. But to have 3 A2 prints framed, £60 a frame. So I was, I was—

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:42 A frame.

Speaker F 0:45:43 Yeah, that's mad. I mean, that—

Speaker G 0:45:44 I was about to spend £180 Great British pounds.

Speaker F 0:45:48 Like more, that would've cost more than the prints.

Speaker G 0:45:50 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:51 Oh, I thought it was all together earlier.

Speaker G 0:45:53 No. Oh, if it was 60 quid for all of them, I would've absolutely—

Natalie Cassidy 0:45:56 That's still a lot of money.

Speaker G 0:45:57 It is still a lot of money, but I would've done it 'cause I would've thought I've got to now go to get the frames, make sure they fit.

Speaker F 0:46:02 No, that would've been 20 quid a frame. That wouldn't be a lot of money.

Natalie Cassidy 0:46:05 Sorry, can I just say something? Yeah. Are they solid gold?

Speaker G 0:46:08 No.

Speaker F 0:46:08 Exactly.

Speaker G 0:46:09 No.

Natalie Cassidy 0:46:11 Wow.

Speaker G 0:46:12 So I thought, no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to do a little bit of research here.

Speaker F 0:46:15 She actually voiced note to me. She went, is that, do you think I've done the right thing? I was like, yes.

Speaker G 0:46:20 And also I'm not getting a frame that I need, you know, if you want like a specific sort of piece of art. No, but you know, even if you've got, you're trying to match a colour. Yeah.

Speaker G 0:46:29 I just wanted a light oak. It's quite basic. So anyway, I went to Dunelm, banging, found them, £15 each. Happy days. Really good.

Speaker G 0:46:37 So chuffed with that. Couldn't, wouldn't have got one frame for that. And whilst I was in there, I picked up a couple of other things and I can't remember one thing I went to. It's all self-service now. Of course.

Speaker G 0:46:46 So I'm doing the thing, James is racking the gaff, and I went to scan something, but it had no tag. There was no barcode. Oh, it was a new bath mat. And I said, oh yeah, this doesn't have a barcode. She's like, oh, okay.

Speaker G 0:47:02 So she's looking at it and she's lifted the tag. So what you need to do is you just need to type this code in. How I did not lose my shit, I'm proud of myself because again, I would have stolen it.

Speaker F 0:47:17 I would have just fucking put it in the bag. I would have put it in the bag.

Speaker G 0:47:20 That's what I said. Sorry, sorry, you want me to do it? She went, yeah, that's right. I've, I've put it— I was like really pressing the buttons, and then I, I did say something as I walked out. But really, yeah, I shouldn't have done it. I've done it wrong. Sorry.

Speaker F 0:47:35 I would've put it in the bag. Oh well, it doesn't scan, not my problem.

Speaker G 0:47:40 No, no. What I should have said is, well, there's nothing on there to show me what price it is, so it's obviously for free. And I'm so annoyed with myself that I didn't say something. Mm-hmm. But I think 'cause James was like getting a bit aggy. How much is it? Oh, I can't, I don't know, maybe like £7. Oh my God, they would not have missed that. But just the fact that she was like, yeah, man. And also she's not doing— I was really busy.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:01 I was just about to say, do you think she's been told to tell people to do that?

Speaker F 0:48:05 I mean, that is, I must say, that's a weird thing to do when—

Speaker G 0:48:09 and if you go anywhere, if you go to Sainsbury's, Tesco, and something doesn't scan, they always come and help you. Um, there's no way, right, lazy, you're taking that job like to the you're taking it to the extreme. You would be saying, oh, just let me— or even, yeah, tap it in, or can you read it out? Or go and get another one.

Natalie Cassidy 0:48:28 No, that's what I mean. They could have got one.

Speaker F 0:48:33 Oh no, I just—

Speaker G 0:48:34 I couldn't. It really shocked me. And I think I was so taken aback by it that that's why I didn't retaliate. So I, I was shocked, and then I left. I thought, I want to go back in there. I was so, I just couldn't believe it.

Speaker F 0:48:48 Yeah, that's mad.

Speaker G 0:48:49 Poor man.

Speaker F 0:48:50 Just for me, like, just don't be, I don't like jobsworths. No. We went to a restaurant yesterday. I won't name the restaurant or where we went because she might get in trouble. The loveliest waitress ever, couldn't do enough for us. The kids, you know, more cheese on pasta, this, that. We ordered beers, Perettis. Then Dom ordered a half and it was in one of the little cute glasses. I went, oh, I love that glass, I'm gonna steal it. She went, do what you want. And I thought, I absolutely love you. And we did, we took it.

Speaker G 0:49:20 Oh wow.

Speaker F 0:49:21 I did. It's a lot of taking and stealing.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:23 It's a lot of stealing. No, I don't steal. No.

Speaker F 0:49:26 I'm like Robin Hood.

Speaker G 0:49:28 I lie, I cheat, I steal.

Speaker F 0:49:31 But I know, but I like that.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker F 0:49:34 It's not, no, stealing. No, no, again, no, exactly.

Speaker G 0:49:37 You're just not being— It's just a bit of banter. But yeah, I mean, that to me is, That is the whole reason you are stood there manning the self-service checkout. And also, it was not like it was a Saturday or a Sunday where it's rammed.

Speaker F 0:49:49 It was a Saturday. Oh, was it?

Speaker G 0:49:51 Yeah, but it wasn't busy. I was the only one at the checkout. There was not another soul.

Natalie Cassidy 0:49:54 I feel like they are there to assist.

Speaker G 0:49:56 But that's why you're— why are you there then? You're not there to fucking hand out carrier bags with all your bags hanging up your arm. What else? Is that all you're there for? You're a human holder. Human.

Speaker F 0:50:07 Bag holder.

Speaker G 0:50:09 That's all you're there. Just put your arm out. Soon she won't even fucking hand you the bag. You're paying a pound for it.

Speaker F 0:50:14 And little do they know, they do these things called hooks. You could just hang them free. Who? You don't even need AI.

Speaker G 0:50:22 No, but then you might not pay for them. That's why she's there to make sure you scan it. What about when that don't scan? Who's typing in the barcode then?

Speaker F 0:50:29 Yeah, but see, fucking, it is true.

Speaker G 0:50:32 See, I'm, I'm outraged. I'm outraged. I'm gonna go back in there. Dunelm, I love you, but that pissed me off. Whilst we're talking about Dunelm, I then saw when I got home, which pissed me off even more, 'cause apparently it started. I didn't see it.

Speaker F 0:50:44 Oh no.

Speaker G 0:50:45 They've got a tree. Oh. With things hanging where you can buy— Buy a gift. Pick one. Yeah. And buy the gift.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:52 Yes.

Speaker G 0:50:52 And apparently it started on the 15th of October. I didn't see this tree, so now I'm annoyed. I'm gonna have to go back, but I wanna get like 5.

Natalie Cassidy 0:50:59 Yes.

Speaker F 0:50:59 And I— We get 'em at the school. I'll get you some.

Speaker G 0:51:02 Yeah, I'd like them for Dunelm as well.

Speaker F 0:51:04 It is so lovely.

Speaker G 0:51:05 Oh, I really, I really, and it says what they want. I know. Someone just wanted like a selection box and I thought, I'm gonna get you 5. Did they tell you?

Speaker F 0:51:12 Yes. I'm gonna get you 10. So I had one, it was like single lady lives and she had some things and I just bought everything and more.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:19 That's great.

Speaker G 0:51:19 And if you can add a few treats in there, I'm really looking forward to doing that. That's so lovely. I know there are lots of—

Speaker F 0:51:24 Gift tree. Gifting tree.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:26 Gifting tree.

Speaker G 0:51:26 I know there's lots of places, but Dunelm are doing it. for their 7th year. So get yourselves to Dunelm, guys, and yeah, get some Christmas gifts. Just don't, and yes, don't expect any fucking help.

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:40 Oh my God, I always buy bananas like that. I get the open bunches where you get as many as you want, and I get 2 of each. Green, not quite ready, and ready to eat.

Speaker G 0:51:52 Yeah, why don't we do that?

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:53 From Amy.

Speaker F 0:51:54 That, I mean, this—

Natalie Cassidy 0:51:56 She has blown us out the water, guys. Yeah, that's embarrassing. That's stupid. Oh yeah.

Speaker F 0:51:59 But then again, like I said, I buy the organic ones.

Speaker G 0:52:02 Sorry, I do. They are in a bunch.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:03 I must say. And they're in a bunch. I do.

Speaker G 0:52:05 And that is why I do that. But that is really good.

Speaker F 0:52:09 Maybe you might have to change.

Speaker G 0:52:10 Yeah, James doesn't know if they're organic, does he?

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:12 You know.

Speaker G 0:52:13 But that is really good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:15 It is.

Speaker F 0:52:16 It's called experience.

Speaker G 0:52:17 That is massive experience there. Well done, girl.

Natalie Cassidy 0:52:20 Well done, Amy. It's fantastic.

Speaker G 0:52:22 Oh dear.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:55 Teller.

Speaker F 0:54:55 Teller.

Natalie Cassidy 0:54:56 Let's have a little chat about Teller.

Speaker G 0:55:00 Well, can I just say, I fell asleep at the round table. You fell asleep? Not quite literally, around this round table.

Speaker F 0:55:08 Oh, we don't know.

Speaker G 0:55:09 No, I know, but I don't know anything. I fell asleep.

Speaker F 0:55:12 What do you mean you don't know anything?

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:13 Well, when this comes out, 2 episodes would've happened. Sorry. So there we go. But anyway, I don't— Totally enjoying myself.

Speaker G 0:55:20 I don't know the votes. I think something happened and I don't know about it.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:23 Oh, see, we'll watch that later.

Speaker G 0:55:27 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:28 Um, but loving it, loving Strictly.

Speaker G 0:55:31 I was a bit bored of Strictly.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:33 Well, you bored stiff. Who went?

Speaker G 0:55:35 'Cause I don't watch that shit. Oh, Shaun Wright Phillips.

Speaker F 0:55:38 Shaunie boy. Bless him.

Speaker G 0:55:39 Bless him. We, we saw him, didn't we? No. No. And I know it wasn't, I know it wasn't. Don't worry.

Speaker F 0:55:49 I know. And I know exactly what you mean, but you could have been more wrong. Oops.

Natalie Cassidy 0:55:54 I dunno what you're talking about.

Speaker F 0:55:55 Strictly, yeah, I was a bit bored.

Speaker G 0:55:57 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:56:00 Like Lacey.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:01 There we go.

Speaker F 0:56:01 Yeah, Lacey was great. He just gets mugged off. I don't think it's his fault. He's not the fucking choreographer. That annoys me. Agreed.

Speaker G 0:56:09 Um, but there are days he's cracking, cracking.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:12 She's doing really well.

Speaker G 0:56:12 Yeah, she is doing good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:13 Although Arlene wasn't happy with her at all.

Speaker F 0:56:15 No, no.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:17 I like that. I like a little bit of juxtaposition. I like a little bit of friction.

Speaker F 0:56:20 But sometimes I feel like when I think it's good, they say it's shit.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:23 Yeah.

Speaker F 0:56:23 And then when I think it's shit, they say it's good. So you ain't got a fucking clue.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:26 Anyone would think you were a judge of dancing, wouldn't they? Couldn't believe it. Bridgerton. Shocked. Shocked to pieces.

Speaker G 0:56:32 Last one laughing. I smashed out all 3 Friday night. Monday, I think.

Speaker F 0:56:38 I, I can't.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:40 It's my favourite show ever.

Speaker G 0:56:41 It was so good.

Speaker F 0:56:42 So I was laughing.

Speaker G 0:56:43 I really, really like Lou. Yeah, she's excellent. Can we— yeah, we can talk. Well, it would be over by now, so spoilers.

Natalie Cassidy 0:56:52 I did Catchphrase with Lou. Oh, did you? Yeah, she's great. And we, we often message every now and again. I do. Yeah, it must be like a celebrity thing. Well, it is, it is. She always says I'm hilarious, which I like.

Speaker F 0:57:05 When her and Jack Dee were doing the Tombstone fit— oh, fuck.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:09 And Jack Dee's great because he's so miserable and deadpan. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

Speaker F 0:57:16 Dominic Tom is excellent.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:18 Well, you're saying it like you're surprised, but I could have told you a very long time ago.

Speaker F 0:57:22 No, I know, just seeing him in that environment.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:24 Amazing.

Speaker F 0:57:26 He's, um, MMA.

Speaker G 0:57:28 Yes, fantastic.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:31 I was shocked to the— I was shooketh.

Speaker G 0:57:34 I'm trying to think what other ones we've seen. Oh, again, Daisy May Cooper. It does make me laugh when she's just smashing and her face is—

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:42 she's like, it's mine, straight.

Speaker G 0:57:44 But when she's doing the bird.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:46 Yeah, no, that was—

Speaker F 0:57:48 no, who's the guy? When the guy with the—

Speaker G 0:57:50 was Oh, the slow-mo falling down the stairs.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:54 Reece is a genius. Now watching him—

Speaker G 0:57:56 Fantastic.

Natalie Cassidy 0:57:57 I'm surprised, A, he went in, 'cause he's quite a private comedian, I find. And him and the guy who was in with him, 'cause I know you don't, but they've done stuff over the years for so many years, they're so iconic, but they don't really do stuff like that. And Reece has done that 'cause it's Halloween, 'cause he's obsessed with Halloween. Oh, wow. Obsessed. If you follow him on Twitter, every day he does a countdown to— he's obsessed. Really? That's obviously why he's done it.

Speaker G 0:58:20 That's why they've done that show, that special. Probably just to get him on it.

Speaker F 0:58:24 That's amazing.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:25 But he's been absolutely amazing, I think.

Speaker G 0:58:27 But for me, it's just for me, it's the little things, like when they're just stood in a circle and they just say stuff. And I just—

Speaker F 0:58:33 yeah, it's clever because obviously they're trying to— you, some of them just walk away like you don't wanna have conversation. Daisy knows. Yeah. 'Cause you're trying to get people out. But for me it was the accents.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:43 They were brilliant.

Speaker G 0:58:44 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 0:58:45 I mean, I thought I was bad at accents.

Speaker G 0:58:47 I watched that and I felt all right.

Speaker F 0:58:49 So Daisy May Cooper tried to do the Welsh.

Speaker G 0:58:52 Oh yeah. And then her daughter, what's her name?

Speaker F 0:58:54 What's her name?

Speaker G 0:58:55 Harriet.

Speaker F 0:58:56 Harriet, who done the Geordie.

Speaker G 0:58:57 Yeah. Which sounds brilliant.

Speaker F 0:58:59 'Cause she sounded like Geordie, Indian, I think she said.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:02 Yeah. And then went a bit Welsh.

Speaker F 0:59:04 Oh, it was honestly fantastic.

Speaker G 0:59:05 And then said, why aye? And just tried to do something. No, it's been very good. It's been really good. So the last one is out today. No, no, thank God. I tried, okay? Um, but yeah, that is a very good one because I also find that I'm laughing more at them trying not to laugh.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:27 Of course.

Speaker G 0:59:28 Which is just excellent.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:29 We went back Sunday, we watched those 3, went back to series 1 because Jackie was here and Jackie hasn't got it.

Speaker G 0:59:34 Series 1 was definitely the best.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:35 Well, Jackie hasn't got Prime and she was really enjoying it. I said, let's go back. We watched another 2. I could just watch it and watch it. It could be my wallpaper.

Speaker G 0:59:42 Season 2 wasn't as good.

Natalie Cassidy 0:59:44 Yeah, it was.

Speaker G 0:59:45 Was it?

Speaker F 0:59:45 Yeah, I liked it.

Speaker G 0:59:47 I don't think I ever finished it. Maybe I'll do it again.

Speaker F 0:59:49 No, very easy. It's so clever. Very, very clever.

Speaker G 0:59:53 I've started the, um, Adultery.

Speaker F 0:59:56 Me too. Any good? Started that last night.

Speaker G 0:59:58 Yeah, I've only watched one episode.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:00 Me and Mark have still not watched Rivals, the last series. So there you go. That's how far behind we are. We're not together. We've not been together of an evening.

Speaker F 1:00:08 This is great.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:09 Yeah, we will do that.

Speaker G 1:00:10 I'm actually just watching everything on my own now.

Speaker F 1:00:12 Yeah, you can't, it's impossible. No, the, yeah, adult, adult, adultery. Adultery. I kept seeing loads of things on social media about it. It's very, I think the story will be very interesting.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:23 Oh, good.

Speaker F 1:00:23 I like it. It's just easy.

Speaker G 1:00:25 Yeah, it feels like an easy one. She's very normal.

Speaker F 1:00:27 They're quite normal. Like, it's all very normal. Oh, good. Yeah, like, it'll be good.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:30 All right.

Speaker F 1:00:31 But also with their own little trials and tribulations.

Speaker G 1:00:34 Yeah.

Speaker F 1:00:35 And also I'm watching War. War on Sky.

Speaker G 1:00:39 Any particular one, or World War II, Cold War?

Speaker F 1:00:43 No, no, it's a series with, um, Sienna Miller and—

Speaker G 1:00:47 Nothing to do with Dominic?

Speaker F 1:00:48 No. So basically it's a couple, very high-powered. She's an actress.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:52 Oh no, this is about a divorce.

Speaker F 1:00:54 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:54 I don't think it's Cold War.

Speaker F 1:00:55 Yes, it is.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:56 Is it?

Speaker F 1:00:56 Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:57 You sure?

Speaker F 1:00:58 Yes, because I'm watching it.

Natalie Cassidy 1:00:59 I've seen it. It's amazing.

Speaker G 1:01:00 I was watching 2 different series at one time.

Speaker F 1:01:02 Yes.

Speaker G 1:01:03 That's psych— psychotic. I have, um, that's not right.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:06 No, but I have seen Too Much Time on Our Hands. I have, um, seen the advert for that.

Speaker F 1:01:12 Yes.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:13 Are you sure it's not called Power?

Speaker F 1:01:14 No.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:15 You're definitely sure it's called War?

Speaker F 1:01:17 Yes.

Speaker G 1:01:18 Power is, um, quite a longstanding series.

Speaker F 1:01:21 I'm sorry. It's so good.

Speaker G 1:01:24 You're watching too?

Speaker F 1:01:26 Yes, babe. What do you mean?

Speaker G 1:01:27 How, what do you, how do you do that?

Speaker F 1:01:29 Well, they're on fucking one a week.

Speaker G 1:01:31 Oh, fine.

Speaker F 1:01:33 What do you mean?

Speaker G 1:01:34 Well, no, Adultera's on ITVX. Just bang, bang, bang, bang.

Speaker F 1:01:37 Oh, wow. That changes everything. Although I have— Though War is out every Sunday, I think.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:42 She keeps talking about ITVX. Elia, I've realised, doesn't realise that The Traitors is on BBC One.

Speaker F 1:01:49 Yeah.

Natalie Cassidy 1:01:50 And then other things that I watch are on BBC, and she keeps saying, oh, why don't you catch up on ITVX? She's got no idea what programme is on what channel. Oh, that's right. That's what I've realised. ITVX has adverts.

Speaker G 1:02:03 Yes. And it's so shit. Isn't it? Isn't it the worst? I play her on— oh yeah. Did you watch the Gemma Collins? Uh, I've watched, yeah, most of it.

Speaker F 1:02:16 Do you know what I like about her? Just, she was like, do you know what, maybe babies were just not for me. It wasn't meant to be my journey. She's got her— she's with Rami, who's got a little boy, and she's like, I love him. I'm lucky that I've got a relationship. Yeah. But I love that outlook and that attitude because that could really drive someone into—

Speaker G 1:02:37 Well, it probably has, and she's come out the other side.

Speaker F 1:02:40 Yeah. No, just her outlook's quite—

Natalie Cassidy 1:02:42 Well, it's nice to be positive. Positive. Yeah. Yeah. And not poor me, poor me. She's getting on with it. Yeah. I haven't seen it.

Speaker F 1:02:48 She cracks out. No, it's quite sad. She lost her mum. Yeah. Yeah, it's sad.

Natalie Cassidy 1:02:52 We've all done things. Um, no, I'm joking.

Speaker F 1:02:57 I've lost my mum.

Natalie Cassidy 1:02:59 I'm alone. Am I allowed to say that? Am I allowed to say that? Ah, a little bit of banter. She would like that. I think she'd appreciate it. We'd have a little cup of cha, we'd have a little cup of tea, we'd be all right, won't we, Gis?

Speaker G 1:03:09 EastEnders?

Speaker F 1:03:10 Love it so much.

Speaker G 1:03:11 Are you watching? No. She's annoying.

Speaker F 1:03:14 I mean, where, where do we start?

Speaker G 1:03:17 It's really good.

Natalie Cassidy 1:03:18 Is it? I watched a few. I have watched a few. Matt finds it addictive.

Speaker G 1:03:21 Oh no, I didn't.

Speaker F 1:03:23 Am I allowed to say this?

Natalie Cassidy 1:03:24 What's that?

Speaker F 1:03:25 Oh no, when I was here last, I was a bit drunk. And I was busting Mark's balls trying to always try and get him to tell me what happened.

Natalie Cassidy 1:03:31 Yeah.

Speaker F 1:03:32 He won't tell me. No. What? I'm confused. What do we think's happened New Year's?

Natalie Cassidy 1:03:39 That's what Mark's filming now.

Speaker F 1:03:41 Yes, I know.

Speaker G 1:03:42 What do you think's happened? I'm fucking worried about what's happening tonight. I'm worried about New Year's. What's she on about?

Speaker F 1:03:47 You know, the first— I don't know.

Natalie Cassidy 1:03:49 Do you know? I don't. He won't tell me.

Speaker G 1:03:50 He's getting married to someone.

Speaker F 1:03:51 Yeah. Who? Linda. It's gotta be Linda.

Speaker G 1:03:54 It's not gonna be Linda, 'cause that's too obvious. Has to be Linda. Maybe remarry Cindy. No. Get the money from her.

Speaker F 1:04:00 No.

Speaker G 1:04:00 That he's lent her. Do you think? He has to get that 50 grand back.

Speaker F 1:04:05 Ooh.

Natalie Cassidy 1:04:07 I've missed so much. I dunno where I am.

Speaker F 1:04:10 It's mental.

Natalie Cassidy 1:04:10 I turned the telly on to watch Chris and Max. I turned the telly on, there was Linda and Max together.

Speaker F 1:04:14 Yeah, they're together.

Natalie Cassidy 1:04:15 I just thought, what's going on?

Speaker G 1:04:16 Anyway, it's not nice.

Natalie Cassidy 1:04:17 I've only been gone 18 months. And I just love this.

Speaker G 1:04:20 A little half hour every night. Yeah. It's easy. It's, we, that is our thing every night. Yeah, that's nice. That's what we watch together. Fucking microphone.

Natalie Cassidy 1:04:28 Right. On that note, we need to get off. But what a lovely pod. Thank you so much. Yeah. Lovely to see you both as always. Should we go and have a little bit of din-dins?

Speaker G 1:04:38 Yes. That'd be lovely.

Natalie Cassidy 1:04:39 I've done a beefy chilli.

Speaker F 1:04:41 What do you mean a beefy chilli?

Speaker G 1:04:42 No, 'cause I said I want you to make a chilli. I did have to set some ground rules. Cool. 'Cause I got nervous. Hit me.

Speaker F 1:04:48 Hit me.

Speaker G 1:04:48 I said I need it to be beefy 'cause she likes to make a tomatoey one.

Speaker F 1:04:52 And I said, this doesn't seem very tomatoey.

Natalie Cassidy 1:04:54 I said it's very tomatoey. Have you tasted it?

Speaker G 1:04:56 I've not even tasted it. Is it nice?

Speaker F 1:04:57 Yeah, it's all right.

Speaker G 1:04:59 I'm scared.

Speaker F 1:04:59 Spicy.

Speaker G 1:05:00 Is it? Yes. And I made a salsa.

Speaker F 1:05:04 Yeah, I'm excited for this. We were talking about that.

Speaker G 1:05:06 Oh, we didn't make a lot of salsa.

Natalie Cassidy 1:05:08 It's enough.

Speaker G 1:05:10 We were just like, whizz that up in seconds. And I was like, how lovely to have with like a bit of sea bass.

Speaker F 1:05:15 Ooh.

Natalie Cassidy 1:05:16 'Cause you're elevating your meal, aren't you?

Speaker G 1:05:18 But you could just do, You could add, do a bit of parsley, garlic, you know, like just— Why throw anything?

Natalie Cassidy 1:05:24 A little sauce.

Speaker G 1:05:24 And, and actually—

Speaker F 1:05:25 I love, I'm a sucker for a little sauce or a little zhuzh.

Speaker G 1:05:29 I just think like that, for me, when I have fajitas, I'm not interested unless it's— No, I love my gubbins. I love the gubbins.

Speaker F 1:05:36 It's the gubbins that make it.

Natalie Cassidy 1:05:37 But that's like the chilli.

Speaker G 1:05:38 I'm not having rice. I'm not, I want a bit, a few nachos, bread, loads of cheese, sour cream. Should have got 2 pots of sour cream. This has all gone wrong.

Natalie Cassidy 1:05:45 Right, that is right. Yeah, you don't eat. I'll be fine. Right, on that note, love you. Peace out. See you later. Bye everyone.